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    Posted: 11/26/2014 at 9:36pm
Hi guys,
I really like my Rakza7 as my backhand rubber. I am playing with 2 MM and this thickness works perfect for me.
The only serious cons of this rubber is that with my "top-sheet type of backhand" I tend to kill the rubber in 2-3 months. It took at least twice as long to bring a top-sheet of XIOM Omega IV to the same state (6-7 m).

Anything that plays close...? What I like about rakza7 on BH is its balance. With equally long/short movement you can generate solid spin, even out of position. This rubber is really nice on chops and flips - again, quite forgiving if the movement is decent, not perfect.

Let's say XIOM Omega IV was also quite forgiving but it was very poor- Not enough bite, variability - absolutely plain for the opponent. 

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(but never before my backhand rubber lasted less than my forehand rubber)

Edited by iakovka - 11/26/2014 at 9:39pm

XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
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Well it's hard to beat the durability of Xiom so maybe Sigma II Europe? Or if you liked Omega IV maybe Omega V is an upgrade that fixes your problem with IV
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Never played with Sigma but tried it several times from others on FH - got the impression that Sigma's are much faster than Rakza7, much more aggressive, unforgiving, significantly harder sponge, longer curve, harder top-sheet. 
I am looking for similar but longer durability.

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I had the same durability issue with R7. I'm currently using Rakza X and it is awesome.
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Originally posted by iakovka iakovka wrote:

Never played with Sigma but tried it several times from others on FH - got the impression that Sigma's are much faster than Rakza7, much more aggressive, unforgiving, significantly harder sponge, longer curve, harder top-sheet. 
I am looking for similar but longer durability.


True that Sigma is faster but the topsheet is only hard on Sigma I. Sigma II keeps the hard sponge but has a softer topsheet but I can see how Sigma II might not be the right alternative to Rakza 7. At this point have you considered maybe Tenergy 05 or 64? I'm not sure of another modern rubber that lasts as long as Xiom or Tenergy.
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I would also recommend Rakza X if you like R7. It is similar but better grip which means more control. Looks durable so far.
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Rakza X users,  how long do you use it? 
How is it speed wise vs. Rakza 7?

Regarding Tenergy: T64 has too long curve on spin for my BH and T05 has bad block for my BH. Not to mention that my objective to change Rakza7 is to essentially to improve durability/price ratio. Don't think that any of these two will do it, really ;)

P.S. based on the description I would think T80 would be even better choice in this category but... probably will fail in durability/price ratio as well 


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XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
XIOM ZXI 88 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega V Tour, BH: Rakza Soft 7 2MM
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im not sure how this would fare,but maybe you can try donic baracuda.it might work for you.
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What about Joola Rhyzm series such as Rhyzm 425?

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Your worries are over, same playing characteristics on BH but longer too much longer durability is the donic jp1 or the jp1 turbo , awsome on BH blocks, counter, shop, a must try trust me. ( jp1 turbo has lower throw than jp1)
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Originally posted by mahomedy13 mahomedy13 wrote:

im not sure how this would fare,but maybe you can try donic baracuda.it might work for you.

I found baracuda too soft & mushy, definately softer than R7 soft.
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Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Your worries are over, same playing characteristics on BH but longer too much longer durability is the donic jp1 or the jp1 turbo , awsome on BH blocks, counter, shop, a must try trust me. ( jp1 turbo has lower throw than jp1)

Donic sounds quite promising, at least in durability they are very good.
Can you elaborate on hardness and vs. rakza7? My last donic was M2 (on FH) but it would be too hard for my backhand and probably not forgiving enough.
How about all these JP versions?

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What do you think about Stiga Calibra Tour M 1.9MM comparing to Rakza7 2MM ?

XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
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Originally posted by iakovka iakovka wrote:

What do you think about Stiga Calibra Tour M 1.9MM comparing to Rakza7 2MM ?




I have the Calibra Tour M Max on my BH of DHS PG12. Excellent control for blocks, pushes, touch shots and counter-hitting. Spin is very little as practically no tack. Don't bother. I would not buy this rubber again. 

 Rakza7 has way more spin & everything else.  
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Hmm, thank you

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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I had the same durability issue with R7. I'm currently using Rakza X and it is awesome.
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RX is fantastic BH rubber!
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Originally posted by rusttt rusttt wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I had the same durability issue with R7. I'm currently using Rakza X and it is awesome.
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RX is fantastic BH rubber!

Seems like I have to try it. How long do you play with it?

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Rakza X is harder and faster compared to R7, or not?
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Seems like I have to try it. How long do you play with it?
It's only been available about two months now so it's too early to give a life expectancy.  After 30-40 hours it seems new. 
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Seems like I have to try it. How long do you play with it?
It's only been available about two months now so it's too early to give a life expectancy.  After 30-40 hours it seems new. 



30-40 hours of what? :) .....coz there is no  rubber invented yet that can look new after 20 hours of my training, regardless if it is FH or BH (and I think I am crazy optimistic here, I think).

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Jp1 hardness is same razka 7 47.5 little tacky like razka ...
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Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

Jp1 hardness is same razka 7 47.5 little tacky like razka ...

Sounds good Michael. I  should read about Jp1.

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At this point my options:
1) Staying with Rakza7 2MM. I am pretty happy with it except that I would prefer something a bit softer (not as soft as Rakza7 Soft) 
2) Trying RakzaX - 2MM, although I am a bit concerned about the speed and untested durability.
3) Donic JP2 2MM - Sounds like a very good option. Lasts long, good top-sheet, good price. 
4) Xiom Vega Pro 2MM  - Just because it is cheap now and I tried spinning with it on BH for 15 minutes and got OK+ impression. Good curve.
5) I was considering Stigas but...got the impression that they lack grip on top-sheet, all except Airoc, which also has very mixed reviews, in terms of consistency and spin.



Edited by iakovka - 11/28/2014 at 10:31pm

XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
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Do you think if I go 2MM JP1 it will not be too hard sponge Vs. Rakza7?
I know someone have mentioned they are both 47.5 but Rakza7 really does not feel hard rubber.
I know M2 feels too hard on my BH

Edited by iakovka - 11/29/2014 at 8:05pm

XIOM ZX1 Feel 85 Gr, FH: XIOM Omega VII Pro, BH: Rakza 7 Soft 2MM
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No jp1 feels softer due to its softer topsheet
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I had combo baracuda on FH and rakza7 on bh and I found them very similar. In speed and control the same, baracuda has higher arc and better durability. Try out baracuda.
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Originally posted by iakovka iakovka wrote:

What do you think about Stiga Calibra Tour M 1.9MM comparing to Rakza7 2MM ?



I think they have almost the same spin and control, however I think Calibra Tour got some more speed and a better touch in the outer layer of the rubber. 
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