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BinaryLoop
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Posted: 12/22/2014 at 3:32pm |
Does anyone else change their grips slightly between forehand and backhand? I've discovered that I unconsciously do it, and it's costing me points in quick rallies during switching between forehand/backhand. Should I get better at switching grips, or should I adopt a bh/fh oriented grip and "make it work" for the other stroke?
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NextLevel
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It depends on the degree of change, how close you play to the table and how much you practice. Grip change is a part of the sport but it needs to be practiced. Learning players should learn to do all strokes with a neutral grip before changing grips. I have actually gone back to trying to use a similar grip for most strokes, but I think my grip issues were a bit more serious than others (my preferred BH grip was much lower on the handle than my FH grip but my backhand is usually okay regardless, so I am trying to be shallower to help my forehand).
As a rule of thumb, grips on strokes close to the table should be similar, or you should at least be able to play your over the table strokes out of the worse grip if forced to. All this takes lots of practice, and the increased shot quality better be worth it. Edited by NextLevel - 12/22/2014 at 3:45pm |
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jrscatman
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Agree with NextLevel. I like to switch grips, but also like to play away from the table. But when I get stuck at the table - I try to go to a more neutral grip (atleast I'm trying to go more neutral) more often than not I'm stuck with a forehand grip.
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mhnh007
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I remember watching Michael Maze video on Youtube, and he stressed that you should not change grip, even though he admit to do so . Basically, you shouldn't do it, but if you can get away with it, then it's ok too, as long as your style of play allows you to do so without getting caught.
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BinaryLoop
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I understand that Timo Boll is notorious for changing grips. Is that level of proficiency achievable with practice? (Obviously not referring to his overall skill level, but comfortably changing grips in pressure situation.)
Edited by BinaryLoop - 12/22/2014 at 4:02pm |
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Lestat
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When you're being caught at the table in a quick bh/fh changeover, there is a point after which you don't change grip anymore. You hit your fh with a bh grip. There's just not enough time. If you have the opportunity, do some multiball specifically for grip. Your feeder alternates bh and fh (not in extremis, this is not a footwork drill), at the fastest pace you can accurately chage grip and you keep it there. That's your threshold basically. Edited by Lestat - 12/23/2014 at 4:41pm |
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malin87
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It is sth common in table tennis...As i remember Persson use to change grips during the points from bh to fh...
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suds79
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It is common place.
However, being a close to the table penholder, I never liked getting caught on a TPB because I didn't have the correct grip in time on quick exchanges. So i adapted a universal (more backhand) grip full time and have never looked back. Side note: I didn't know it at the time but if you ever twiddle, your twiddle speed will be 10x times faster with the curled finger approach. Almost impossible to do it quickly IMO with extended fingers.
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V-Griper
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If you don't spend a relatively high proportion of your table time training then it is probably not worth it. However the overall advantages out weigh the disadvantages imo. A strong BH biased grip seems to be the standard at the highest level SH play. FH grip varies between FH biased, TB, MJ, DO, and neutral, Marcos Feitas, Kristian Karlsson, ZJK, FZD, ML...
The two players I know who committed to grip switching took about 3-5 months before they got to a point where they were no longer consciously aware of doing it. One method used to help speed transition time was to use a junk paddle and having it in the hand as much as possible while practicing switches. Like while watching tv , walking or ghosting. Be aware that these players did a lot of multiball as well. For the FH I would start with a dead neutral grip with ulnar deviation and no flexion or extension of the wrist. Control blade angle with pronation/supination of the forearm. Best example for this is WLQ imo. WLQ counter hit. Better quality and different camera angles + BH counter hit. ML BH counter hit ML FH/BH counter hit. |
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lewis1253
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Take the time to committ to learning how to grip switch. For me, it has proved invaluable and has enabled me to improve very much. At first it was difficult, very difficult, but like VGriper said, give it 3-5 months for proficiency. It will take about a year though for it to really solidify. Even then, the grip is a very fluid thing, for me at least.
Edited by lewis1253 - 12/23/2014 at 8:05pm |
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IF you decide not to grip switch however, stay in a BH biased grip. Your FH and BH will thank you for it.
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BinaryLoop
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I'm currently in a stage of playing where I go to ping pong club every time with the goal of getting better, instead of merely autopiloting in friendlies. Thanks for the pointers!
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Ringer84
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Speaking of massive grip changing...
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