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    Posted: 12/22/2014 at 3:35pm
including all of game 7 Wink



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Getting an error - can you provide the direct link
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Getting an error - can you provide the direct link


I searched on Youtube and got this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK26wPD9Z40

Edit - I just noticed another posted provided the link few minutes ago.





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Thanks for the link. Kunal C. just wasn't ready to win. Got very tight after the changeover. I guess still young, hopefully will learn and improve. Congratulations to Jim Butler for the win, experience definitely paid off.

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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Thanks for the link. Kunal C. just wasn't ready to win. Got very tight after the changeover. I guess still young, hopefully will learn and improve. Congratulations to Jim Butler for the win, experience definitely paid off.



I think that there is an increasing appreciation that winning is not just about having the better technique. People who think that intangibles don't play a role in winning haven't seen enough chokers. Congrats to both Jim and Kunal for a great match which I wish I could have seen to the conclusion live.
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What is Jimmy using... the backhand sounds thin.

More of an control game for the most part.

At least thats what i see in this match.
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yes, i think after the changeover (when the livestream went dead......)

kunal obviously was nervous and most definitely short-armed a few fh counters, which gave jimmy life

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Thanks for posting!
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Anybody know why Jim Butler had 2 different colored shoes on? And Congrats Jim Butler. Great touch and strategy, not just about the power game. Gives me hope that past our primes can win too. Wink
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Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Anybody know why Jim Butler had 2 different colored shoes on?


What's strange about that - he also had 2 different colored rubbers Wink

The commentators said that this was some kind of whim or superstition.

Maybe the title will help him get a sponsor and proper clothes?


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It is the deal on Amazon. You need to buy two pairs of those ASCIS volleyball shoes to get 30% off. By the way, why were they playing in such slow paces? My feeling is that they are many levels below those CNT members.
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

It is the deal on Amazon. You need to buy two pairs of those ASCIS volleyball shoes to get 30% off. By the way, why were they playing in such slow paces? My feeling is that they are many levels below those CNT members.
One guy is below 15 and the other guy is over 40 - how many CNT players are in that age range?
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kunal definitely let his nerves get the better of him in the 7th, but what can you expect, he's 15
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Originally posted by berkeleydoctor berkeleydoctor wrote:

kunal definitely let his nerves get the better of him in the 7th, but what can you expect, he's 15


Kunal is only 15 ?   definitely fooled me

Yeah, Congrats to Jimmy Butler.  Kudos to his hardwork on the comeback trail.  Definitely paid off. He deserved it.   ClapClapClapClapClap
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This is the final of all united states?
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Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

This is the final of all united states?

Hahahahahaha....yes it is.
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Originally posted by naijachief naijachief wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

This is the final of all united states?

Hahahahahaha....yes it is.


I thought there were some Asian/American players who were better..
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

It is the deal on Amazon. You need to buy two pairs of those ASCIS volleyball shoes to get 30% off. By the way, why were they playing in such slow paces? My feeling is that they are many levels below those CNT members.


How do I catch this deal? I added two to the cart and yet they were regular prices.
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Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

Originally posted by naijachief naijachief wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

This is the final of all united states?

Hahahahahaha....yes it is.


I thought there were some Asian/American players who were better..

Jim Butler has defeated the likes of Saive and Eloi (in their primes), among others in big events, so don't underestimate his level of talent. Wink






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Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Anybody know why Jim Butler had 2 different colored shoes on?

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I asked him and he said that it was too long to explain (or likely to be worth explaining).  Maybe Baal can get the full story some time.  
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Originally posted by LOOPMEISTER LOOPMEISTER wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

Originally posted by naijachief naijachief wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

This is the final of all united states?

Hahahahahaha....yes it is.


I thought there were some Asian/American players who were better..

Jim Butler has defeated the likes of Saive and Eloi (in their primes), among others in big events, so don't underestimate his level of talent. Wink





what's his best world ranking in his career??
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Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

This is the final of all united states?


No, just the playoff between the winners of U-16 and O-40. Players from other age groups defaulted / boycotted / choked / didn't care Wink

Butler's highest world ranking was around 70.
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Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

what's his best world ranking in his career??

#70

Don't disrespect this guy. He's had an unbelievable career, overcome some pretty serious injuries. Even now he wins when clearly you can see him cramping up a lot.

http://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/athletes/Jim-Butler
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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

what's his best world ranking in his career??

#70

Don't disrespect this guy. He's had an unbelievable career, overcome some pretty serious injuries. Even now he wins when clearly you can see him cramping up a lot.

http://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/athletes/Jim-Butler

I don't disrepect him i asked cause i didn't know about Butler's career..The particular match is low level for 320M population though...
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Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

what's his best world ranking in his career??

#70

Don't disrespect this guy. He's had an unbelievable career, overcome some pretty serious injuries. Even now he wins when clearly you can see him cramping up a lot.

http://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/athletes/Jim-Butler

I don't disrepect him i asked cause i didn't know about Butler's career..The particular match is low level for 320M population though...

The statement is meaningless since Sweden had high level matches even when it's population was nothing compared to China and USA.  Population is not a driver of TT Talent per se.  You can express your opinion of the match without backing it up with meaningless drivel to make it sound intelligent.


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Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by malin87 malin87 wrote:

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">what's his best world ranking in his career??</span>


#70

Don't disrespect this guy. He's had an unbelievable career, overcome some pretty serious injuries. Even now he wins when clearly you can see him cramping up a lot.

http://www.teamusa.org/usa-table-tennis/athletes/Jim-Butler


I don't disrepect him i asked cause i didn't know about Butler's career..The particular match is low level for 320M population though...


Only 1/10 of 320M know Table Tennis (the rest only know basement Ping Pong), and 1/10 of that 1/10 are interested in serious/competitive TT.
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First of all, many thanks for the veodo and link so that we can see how Jim turned it around during the second half of game 7.
Secondly, this is a huge comeback-from-retirement story/sucess. To me, its' bigger than Michael Jordan's.
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