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Video: 1997 Waldner - Wang Liqin |
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slevin 
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 Topic: Video: 1997 Waldner - Wang LiqinPosted: 01/21/2015 at 10:39am |
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1997 Japan Open Finals aired on NBC! Biased commentary (in favor of JOW) but a good watch: One legend about to bloom vs another at the peak of his powers and popularity. This is probably WLQ's 1st or 2nd tour final appearance & he seems to be in total awe of JOW (especially in the 1st set). Big learning experience for him in the serve-receive area in this match! JOW almost seems to be a bit less motivated from the 2nd set on. Another observation: 'The shot that owned a decade' hadn't developed in WLQ's game yet at that time - he does have some good FH topspin points but his FH does not seem as efficient as it shall later become. It is also clear that his BH has not developed as much yet and JOW gets many points by sending the ball there. |
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in2spin
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one of coolest things i'd ever seen was the CNT (xiong ke, liu guoliang, wang tao, lu lin, kong linghui, ma wenge) lining up at the 97 worlds to blast at this tall thin kid - who turned out to be WLQ
i think WLQ the unknown (17?) ended up getting quite a few scalps before losing to samsonov in the 16s? :)
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 4:03pm |
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Philip Saive, Jorgen Persson ( a great match, down to the wire) and Carl Prean, FYI.
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 4:30pm |
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That pair of 回力(Warrior) shoes! I remember WLQ lost to Samsonov 3-1 in the final at the Grand Finals in HK that year.
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in2spin
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Posted: 01/21/2015 at 5:08pm |
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yup
and i think prean took out yoo nam kyu :)
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zzzuppp
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Correct, 3-1. Most amazing result was Karakasevic beating Liu Guoliang. Liu was powerless by the end, never beaten so badly before or since.
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Posted: 01/22/2015 at 6:52pm |
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Don't know how many times I have seen this match! I loved Waldner back then. I miss playing to 21
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Posted: 01/22/2015 at 7:08pm |
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J-O at his best! Lovely Video.
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so it seems like the american commentator can for some reason pronounce Waldner's name within a reasonable Swedish pronunciation but WLQ's name gets butchered...
for those that care, you should pronounce "wong lee-chin"
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1. It is good to see an old match of JOW when he was at his best.
2. Nobody choed back then. When did players start to cho? 3. The price money was low and facility was not good when pro tour just started. 4. Love sound of speed glue, and some of the shots that could only be done with it. |
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5. It was broadcasted by NBC! Unbelievable!
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in2spin
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yes that match was not in the stadium
I watched it from the top row of the stadium karakasevic simply had the rhythm that match another crazy good match was ma wenge vs kreanga :) |
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Posted: 01/24/2015 at 1:16pm |
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It is impressive how many points Waldner won just with serve. No wonder the rules were changed.
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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - 2015 video
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Posted: 01/24/2015 at 4:50pm |
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Very weird that Waldner was allowed to play with a white shirt when playing with white ball.
I thought it was forbidden at that time.
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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Olio
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They're playing on a blue table with orange ball, so no problem with wearing white
Edit: so it seems it's blue table but white ball? I noticed some colours look strange. Maybe JO's shirt is not actually white? Edited by Olio - 01/25/2015 at 5:09am |
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kakapo
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 7:26am |
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Orange ball didn't exist in 1997 and Waldner's shirt really seemed to be white. |
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 10:31am |
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Not sure when they were introduced, but orange balls were already around in the 70s. Here's a link to an old Stiga magazine (from 1979 I believe) showing them. http://oldstiga.com/c/stiga_12sidor.pdf In the Waldner -WLQ match - from a distance the ball looks white, but the shots closer up show that it was a yellow ball that was used in the match.
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kakapo
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 11:05am |
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I really didn't know orange balls already existed in the seventies !!!
I remember very well that only white balls where used in the tournaments in Belgium in the eighties, nineties and also everywhere in the champions league matches in Europe..... When orange balls arrived in the early 2000 in the Belgian competition, I remember very well I had some difficulties to adapt at that time after having played 20 years with white balls. Another stupid invention for nothing.....
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 11:48am |
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It is easy to call something stupid when you have never asked serious questions about it. There are clubs where the background makes white hard to see, but orange easier. Someone once posted here that he knows someone who is dyslexic and can't play with white balls, but can play with orange balls. So I hope you understand that while it was stupid for you, it was very helpful to a lot of people.
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kakapo
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 11:58am |
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Maybe but I table tennis was invented with white balls, basket ball with orange ball..... It is maybe conservative but it the color of the wall is a problem then....paint the wall with another color ! Also, you are 10000 % wrong when you think I haven't thought about it. I know much more people (from little Belgian leagues till super division )who were annoyed by these orange balls than with whites ones. You can't deny that it has become very rare to see international matches or even big national matches in Europe with orange balls....i guess it is not for nothing.
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 12:20pm |
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They are half orange half white now in cttsl
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Posted: 01/25/2015 at 12:52pm |
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Just an unsuccessful 1 shot :((( the players were lost.
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Kakapo,
Orange balls have been around for a long time, and were very common in the 90s. I played in France then, where many clubs bought blue tables, and played with orange balls on them. Maybe Belgium was a bit behind on this... As for the "stupid invention", if you want to play with the original colour, would you now play football with a brown ball? And as NL explained, there are many potential benefits of playing with orange balls. This also includes NOT having to paint the room you're playing in, when it doesn't belong to the club and isn't a permanent TT place.
Edited by Olio - 01/26/2015 at 4:08am |
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kakapo
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 7:09am |
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Yes, Belgium was probably "behind" at this period but....... Currently, wathever green or blue tables....show me one tournament where orange balls are used ?
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