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mjamja 
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 Topic: Tournament balls in TxPosted: 01/24/2015 at 6:32pm |
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Buying new club balls soon. Would like to know what balls various clubs in Tx will be using for their tournaments in 2015
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Baal
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Posted: 01/24/2015 at 6:33pm |
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At HTTA we will use XSF. Our tournaments are never sanctioned. At Texas training center also in Houston they seem to be sticking with celluloid -- certainly for the next tournament they will have.
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 12:03pm |
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Austin TTC is using a variety of plastic balls (you have to bring your own balls); For their tournament last weekend they used Nittaku 40+ Premiums. I'm trying to get the clubs in the RGV to use plastic- so far only the university players and a few regular club members have taken on to them.
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 1:12pm |
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Went ahead and ordered Yinhe balls for regular club play. We will also get some Nittaku 40+ premium and set them aside for guys training for upcoming tournament that will use those.
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 2:07pm |
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Mark, Yinhe/XSF is a pretty good ball to use to train for tournaments with NP40+. They share much the same bounce. I would suggest a day or two before to switch to NP40+. I can get used to the switch from one to the other in about 20 min, but just to be sure give it a day or two.
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 3:48pm |
I learned the hard way last Saturday at our weekly RR tournament that there's enough difference between the XSF and NP40+ balls to severely affect my timing when big things are at stake. Right after I played 3 matches with the XSF, I played the next match with NP40+ at my opponent's insistence and almost lost it. The ball was coming to me noticeably slower and shorter, enough so that I had to move forward more to add speed to the ball, but even then the ball traveled slower than I'd have liked. My opponent was able to repeatedly attack my blocks with full power due to NP40+'s slower speed. I played my next semifinal match, and the final with the XSF ball and everything (speed, bounce) felt normal again. Next time I'd make my case to stick to the XSF ball for the entire tournament for sure. |
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wturber
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 3:58pm |
I did some pretty good bounce tests on some plastic balls and the result was that NP40+ bounce pretty much the same as celluloid, XSF bounce a bit more - right at the ITTF upper limit of an allowable bounce. DHS and variants bounce clearly lower than celluloid and NP40+ and a lot lower than XSF. Nothing new, here really. So it makes sense that NP40+ balls would play slower and shorter. Note: I tested two celluloid balls. DHS 3* and Gamber Platinum 3*. The bounce of both balls were very similar. I'll test more celluloid balls, but for now this sample of two types suggests that bounce variation between different brand/makes of celluloid balls is smaller than between different brand/makes of plastic.
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 4:04pm |
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That the celluloid variance is lower hardly needs testing. That one can adjust between XSF and Nittaku doesn't mean that the balls don't play differently enough for someone to be affected by a switch from one to the other in the midst of competitive play. They definitely do. Nittaku is a bit slower, IMO.
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 5:06pm |
Right. My point was/is that empirical testing supports that I'd expect an adjustment between the NP40+ and XSF that would be more significant than I'd expect from switching between two different brands of celluloid balls. The difference between DHS and XSF is even greater. I would like to test a few more celluloid balls given my small sample size of two brands. But I don't expect much variance. |
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Posted: 01/26/2015 at 5:19pm |
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Other day hit with 3XSF and 3 NP+ at same time. When both close to table not noticeable diff. When both backed off table the diff described really showed up. Always having to come forward and reach down to hit the NP+. With NP+ felt I could hit full out without hitting long. Had to ease up just a little or really make sure to spin it with the XSF.
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