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    Posted: 01/29/2015 at 10:22am
I nominate this guy (guy in red)!!!



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I thought he's gonna invent RPF.LOL Ha!
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I have played with that style for years. Initially its tough to play against with. Thru experience you will find their weakness.
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It's really not that different from your typical SH push blocker who uses his BH for everything.  The only difference is how he holds the paddle.
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Rate the players....1750 US?
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I kind of figured he was using anti on the red side, so blocking a lot with rpb
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Looked quite well dressed to me...
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not that ridiculous, but I think blocking with the reverse side on the extreme FH side is not that smart
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It's painful to watch.
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What's so ridiculous about a pushblocking style?
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

I nominate this guy (guy in red)!!!
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Looks like a good pushblocker, just with the penhold BH. His grip must be a little different than the "standard" penhold grip to make it work.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Rate the players....1750 US?


Gotta be better than that.
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> Looks like a good pushblocker, just with the penhold BH. His grip must be a little different than the "standard" penhold grip to make it work.

He's using a somewhat unusual handle on the racket. Hard to see for sure on the video but it appears he has some "nub" he grips and no protruding handle on top, which gives a bit more flexibility.

I suspect something like this: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.118.rIFXXp&id=38413356825&ns=1&abbucket=3#detail

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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Rate the players....1750 US?
I would think around 2000 - don't think I will be able to beat them. That one smash the guy hit was very good - so I think if he sees weak balls he will put them away! Style may not be great - but an effective if you're not a strong player.
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I used pushblocker style years ago. I won some major upsets of players around 2000 rating. I always felt I won the point strictly on my equipment and not so much on skill. I gave it up and have never looked back other than a recent switch to SP's on BH. I didn't enjoy winning that way and felt I was covering up weaknesses. Yes defenders need tools also but that style of winning is just plain ugly and nothing will ever change my mind. Sure there are strategies to win against that style but I feel our sport simply can do without it.   
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I've not seen that before, but in my trips to China I have seen all sorts of strange self-taught stuff, some just as unusual as that. 
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This dude looks like a Seemiller style Pushblocker with Pips or Anti using a modified C-Pen bat and a modified grip to make it very similar in function to Seemiller, use it exactly the opposite way - BH side to receive everything. Strange interesting don't see that every day weird indeed. That is not to say it is bad, just different and I welcome it.
 
I have seen a LOT of Korean C-Pen players make mods to their bat to make it more J-Pen like in function. I have seen some make their C-Pen bat REALLY easy to twiddle, often these guys were very skilled Div 1 city players who used OX LP on one side and could use the OX to setup or hit and finish points. There was one such chap who visited our club and would use his inverted side to setup OX LP hit finishes. I mean this guy really craved to finish with the OX LP and he was good. He wasn't a match for heavy spin deep, but if you played the push to push game he would slap your face.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

What's so ridiculous about a pushblocking style?


Well nothing ridiculous with the pushblocker style... This guy's approach to it is ridiculous. And by ridiculous I don't mean bad, I mean unusual, it make you think how he developed it...
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

What's so ridiculous about a pushblocking style?


Well nothing ridiculous with the pushblocker style... This guy's approach to it is ridiculous. And by ridiculous I don't mean bad, I mean unusual, it make you think how he developed it...


It's not uncommon for traditional PH players to put LP on BH for occasional trickery. This guy just took that to its extreme.
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

What's so ridiculous about a pushblocking style?


Well nothing ridiculous with the pushblocker style... This guy's approach to it is ridiculous. And by ridiculous I don't mean bad, I mean unusual, it make you think how he developed it...


Still not clear. His grip is unorthodox, but its pretty obvious that he developed it with an extreme BH orientation. He can loop on his forehand. When I compare him to other players who use their push blocking backhand all over the table, he looks pretty conventional aside from grip. Since even inverted players use BH on FH side now, his game is quite mainstream for his level, grip aside.
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funny style eh?
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His grip is 90% penhold. It's worse for FH open angle, but he's not using those anyway.

Interesting, but really not that different.
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Just enjoy the rarity and the unconventionalness of the style... Kinda fun to watch...
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Playing nearly every ball with LP in this way is not that unusual. However, reverse penhold was invented to allow a more natural backhand attack. Although some could attack bh with classic penhold, the backhand was mainly for blocking and pushing. So I do find it a bit on the ridiculous side, but not outrageous, that he has chosen RPB over classic one sided.  
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Playing nearly every ball with LP in this way is not that unusual. However, reverse penhold was invented to allow a more natural backhand attack. Although some could attack bh with classic penhold, the backhand was mainly for blocking and pushing. So I do find it a bit on the ridiculous side, but not outrageous, that he has chosen RPB over classic one sided.  

By using RPB for it, it allows him to use his FH to hit easy balls.
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It is unconventional and kinda funny to watch Clap
I assume not so funny to play against Dead

My feeling is that these push block styles try to simplify the game to get most of it with regards to 'effectiveness'. Look at how the guy in red gives up the shots which are beyond his game plan. 

I personally would also favor two winged looping as it is more athletic and much more awesome. 
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Originally posted by AgentHEX AgentHEX wrote:

His grip is 90% penhold. It's worse for FH open angle, but he's not using those anyway.

Interesting, but really not that different.


Agreed. Once I look past the grip I see a game that is very similar to the one played by one of our local regulars - who is probably a very solid 1900 or so USATT level against people he plays regularly and maybe 2000 to 2100 against loopers not familiar with that style.

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Originally posted by harldhzx harldhzx wrote:

I assume not so funny to play against Dead

My feeling is that these push block styles try to simplify the game to get most of it with regards to 'effectiveness'. Look at how the guy in red gives up the shots which are beyond his game plan. 

I personally would also favor two winged looping as it is more athletic and much more awesome. 


The general strategy seems to be to make the opponent play a game he doesn't want to play by:

1) Changing the timing and pace by taking the ball early.
2) Using anti or LP on one side only which makes the opponent spend a tad more time "reading" the spin
3) Placing the ball in unusual/difficult locations that the opponent then has to adjust to.
4) Returning a higher percentage of attacks.
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If the guy in red was attacking those high balls and putting pressure on his opponent then his game would be much more effective. Or another option for him is to be very consistent at blocking and giving sharp angles.
But the way he was playing in the video experienced opponent can just wait for the right ball to attack and if it is blocked then push some more without risking and wait for another opportunity.
No need to hurry.
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maybe he got back pain...
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