Nexy Poly Balls

XSF and Yinhe seamless ball are both made by Palio. 

stevenjlyang wrote: XSF and Yinhe seamless ball are both made by Palio.  but the standard are not the same.  heavier weights means that durability and more consistent bounce but spin a little less, i personally think heavier ball will easily make speed, especially when hitting and blacking.

Sort of true. At the beginning there was a joint cooperative arrangement between Palio, XSF, and DHS to develop seamless balls, but the balls are actually made at a separate factory.  Then something happened that caused DHS to drop out of the deal (possibly an intellectual property issue or something to do with money), and at the last minute DHS were forced to figure out how to make a plastic ball -- but without the new seamless technology.  The result is a terrible ball but DHS has a lot of pull, so it has been widely used anyway.  That is quite unfortunate. 

There is no good evidence I have seen as yet that any of the ITTF approved seamless balls with different labels are consistently different in their weight or playing properties.  Good evidence would be the  actual weights carefully measured.  It is possible but I haven't seen any sign of it.

Bu jut playing with a ball can be very hard to accurately gauge it's weight, as I mentioned above.  Sort of like kicking a ball that is not quite fully inflated, the ball feels heavier.

cole_ely wrote: stevenjlyang wrote: XSF and Yinhe seamless ball are both made by Palio.  but the standard are not the same.  heavier weights means that durability and more consistent bounce but spin a little less, i personally think heavier ball will easily make speed, especially when hitting and blacking. Is this right?  The XSF manufacturer is really palio?

Baal wrote: Sort of true. At the beginning there was a joint cooperative arrangement between Palio, XSF, and DHS to develop seamless balls, but the balls are actually made at a separate factory.  Then something happened that caused DHS to drop out of the deal (possibly an intellectual property issue or something to do with money), and at the last minute DHS were forced to figure out how to make a plastic ball -- but without the new seamless technology.  The result is a terrible ball but DHS has a lot of pull, so it has been widely used anyway.  That is quite unfortunate.  There is no good evidence I have seen as yet that any of the ITTF approved seamless balls with different labels are consistently different in their weight or playing properties.  Good evidence would be the  actual weights carefully measured.  It is possible but I haven't seen any sign of it. Bu jut playing with a ball can be very hard to accurately gauge it's weight, as I mentioned above.  Sort of like kicking a ball that is not quite fully inflated, the ball feels heavier.

More or less what I just said, so I agree with you.

That level of durability is typical for seamless (XSF anyway).

I need to get some Nexy balls and weigh them accurately.

It's possible that the NP 40+ has gotten better with time.  But the first set I ever got was clearly inferior to the XSF in durability.  I still have one of my very first XSF balls.

LOG1C1AN wrote: Your post implied that Nittaku Premiums are seamless. I don't believe they are.

I very occasionally break a XSF but have not done it on the edge of my racket.  Instead I have done it on the edge of the table. So i think we can agree that edges are what does them in.  Typically I can get many hours out of one XSF ball (and even then they don't break, I just put them in my serve practice bucket at some point).   I think there is a pretty solid consensus from many people now that all of the approved seamless balls are more durable than any seamed ball, including the Nittaku Premium -- unless of course the Nittakus have recently improved and Victor has a more recent batch than people in my club have received (which would be good if that's the case).  I like the Nittaku Premium also.  I can feel the difference easily between those and XSF, but I like them both. 

Some people's experience also reflects random events which average out over time.  I have been playing almost exclusively with XSF and Nittaku Premium since late spring/early summer of 2014, so I feel like I have a pretty good sense of how they behave.

Baal wrote: I very occasionally break a XSF but have not done it on the edge of my racket.  Instead I have done it on the edge of the table. So i think we can agree that edges are what does them in.  Typically I can get many hours out of one XSF ball (and even then they don't break, I just put them in my serve practice bucket at some point).   I think there is a pretty solid consensus from many people now that all of the approved seamless balls are more durable than any seamed ball, including the Nittaku Premium -- unless of course the Nittakus have recently improved and Victor has a more recent batch than people in my club have received (which would be good if that's the case).  I like the Nittaku Premium also.  I can feel the difference easily between those and XSF, but I like them both.  Some people's experience also reflects random events which average out over time.  I have been playing almost exclusively with XSF and Nittaku Premium since late spring/early summer of 2014, so I feel like I have a pretty good sense of how they behave.

@Baal - I have a gut feeling that if you like XSF and Nittaku Premium 40+, you'll also like the Nexy balls (if you get a chance to play with them), and you'll most likely notice that they are different than XSF - my initial reaction was that they were in-between XSF and Nittaku.

It's possible that we have a different batch of Nittaku balls, or maybe it's the playing conditions, or just coincidence - who knows.  

As to XSF braking on me more frequently than for others, it could be because I play a lot with a ~2300 junior who hits very hard and often with edges, and he's responsible for breaking 3 of my 4 cracked XSF balls.   I actually gave him one of my Nexy balls last night, after we played with it for a while, and asked him to use it as much as possible over the next few days to see how long it will take him to crack it.  I know this experiment is non-scientific, but I'm really curious about the result anyway :o)



Edited by VictorK - 02/04/2015 at 4:02pm

Baal wrote: I have been playing with some really hard hitting players too, also around 2200-2300, occasionally higher.  It may however relate to the fact that my club has Gerfloor and walls covered with plastic tarps, and that really does reduce wear on balls.

My club has similar flooring and wall covering, so that may contribute to the less frequent seamless ball breakage that I have experienced.

LOG1C1AN wrote: Baal wrote: I have been playing with some really hard hitting players too, also around 2200-2300, occasionally higher.  It may however relate to the fact that my club has Gerfloor and walls covered with plastic tarps, and that really does reduce wear on balls. My club has similar flooring and wall covering, so that may contribute to the less frequent seamless ball breakage that I have experienced.

Our club also has Gerfloor and large courts with barriers, so balls almost never hit walls, so we can probably exclude playing conditions as a reason for the differences.

Baal wrote: I need to get some Nexy balls and weigh them accurately.