Speed glue effect short pips but with MEDIUM spin

Try Andro Blowfish+. It's fast and has medium amount of spin.

AcudaDave wrote: Try Andro Blowfish+. It's fast and has medium amount of spin.

Dave, thank you for the suggestion. I always value your short pips opinions. How does Blowfish+ compare to regular Blowfish? I'd also like to keep the sponge on the softer side and it seems regular Blowfish is softer. Do you have any other experiences with any other tensor short pips? Have you tried any of the Hexer pips? FlatHitter is suggesting Joola Express Ultra. Have you tried that?

JOOLA express ultra is about a 7 on spin, very close to a lot of inverted rubbers, if that is to much spin...
I would give DONIC baxter a shot, soft sponge, about 35 deg...ultra express is a 40 deg. sponge
also...NITTUKU hammond fa is also a fine rubber...
JUIC pattsuma 2 is pretty good..all of these are very good short pip rubbers that can punch block very well, I had a lot of fun with donic baxter...it has a soft sponge!..good luck!
p.s...there are several different short pips on zero pong for around $15.00 that are good.
 
 

I have tried all kinds of SPs but in the end I listened to my coach/friend Gao Jun.  The Butterfly Challenger 1.9 in black is the best of them all for the new plastic ball.  You should know that speed glue effect for SPs is a two-edge sword; it makes all your shots faster, but a quality opponent will use the speed against you, as you can't produce enough spin but he/she can.  So all your fast flat hits, blocks and pushes will come back to you as fast but with extra spin.  

With inverted, you can step back, with short pips, you can't.

GeneralSpecific wrote: But then wouldn't that apply to inverted rubbers also? If I use a tensor inverted rubber, a speed glue effect, it will create more speed than a classic rubber. If my faster hit is returned it will come back to me even faster. This is true regardless of short pips or inverted. Or are you saying that if I get a tensor short pip it should also be spinny to counter the incming higher spin inverted my opponent uses? Maybe I don't understand correctly. Could you clarify please?

OK, I see that you use the 1.8mm version of Spectol 21 instead of the more common 2.15mm that I've used.  In this case I think your main problem is lack of spin, as Spectol 21 can't really generate enough spin of its own, and the lack of speed due to thinner sponge makes this problem even more obvious.  The Challenger Attack 1.9 in black will be a real upgrade for you, imho...

GeneralSpecific wrote: Yes I'm using the 1.8mm sponge because I want it to remain under the thickness limit after boosting. Falco Tempo long booster really makes it noticeably thicker and the 2.15mm version would expand too much. I loved the way it played for the first month of boosting but by the second month the tuning has mostly worn off and it just feels like a very different rubber. I'd like something that feels like a boosted Spectol 21 but can retain it permanently or semi-permanently instead of the 1 month I currently get before it degrades.

bbkon wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: Yes I'm using the 1.8mm sponge because I want it to remain under the thickness limit after boosting. Falco Tempo long booster really makes it noticeably thicker and the 2.15mm version would expand too much. I loved the way it played for the first month of boosting but by the second month the tuning has mostly worn off and it just feels like a very different rubber. I'd like something that feels like a boosted Spectol 21 but can retain it permanently or semi-permanently instead of the 1 month I currently get before it degrades. a pips with less spin is more unstable i think the solution is booster EV used by wujiaduo, vo101 is used by some top juniors in the german team  i dont know if normal spectol will be better for pènhold or the speed version any experience, we should make a forum where we can chat about this  cant wait for replies! I use 889 with soft sponge and its very handy, less spin more trouble for the oponnent

I don't know anything about Mizuno equipment. In trying to look up information about the 3 Mizuno booster short pips I found almost nothing. I've only found that EV has vertical alignment while SA and HP have horizontal alignment. There's nothing on their other characteristics and differences. I'd need more information before I purchased them.

I tried VO 101 and I didn't like the material the topsheet was made of. It felt slick and plasticy making it more of like a tensor medium pip.

bbkon, in my searches through various threads about glue effect short pips you always seem to have made appearances in them. You must have tried many different glue effect short pips. Which have you tried? Have you tried any of the Mizuno pips you mentioned? Have you tried any of the Hexer pips that I'm starting to lean towards?

FlatHitter wrote: This might help....Should You Play With Short Pips in Table Tennis?

What am I supposed to gain from this? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to figure out what I'm supposed to look at relevant to the topic of this thread about speed glue effect short pips.

FlatHitter wrote: Im not trying to be rude, but Im not shure what your looking for, and I dont think you do either. the information your trying to obtain has been put in front of you by some qualified table tennis players. every brand that has been tried and are currently being used by hi-level players have been brought to your attention, there is no "magic rubber" speed glue...boosters...it's all good, but you have to try it, then see what works for YOU...not somebody else's combination. we all play different, that is part of the reason for the many different rubbers.

But I do know exactly what I'm looking for. A short pips topsheet similar to Spectol (medium to medium high spin) with a glue effect sponge that is as soft as possible. A few of the suggestions meet the criteria and a few don't. However, I'm not willing to buy hundreds of dollars worth of rubber sheets to find the best match. Though to say that I don't know what I'm looking for is quite far from the truth.

Da Baobei wrote: Hmmm, maybe Mizuno Booster EV but I haven't played with it so I am not sure if it 100% fits the bill.

What do you know about it? Where did you read any information?

rulia wrote: tsp superspinpips 1.9-2.1.

Now we have a real comedian here!

bbkon wrote: 889 802 802.40 878 ritc bullet Paliofd Moristo Flare2 Hexer pip and force Blow+ 889..2 Patisuma2 joola expres Flare 2 Hammond speed Tyrano Spinpips21 Dolphin Soon booster ev. Generalspecific how was vo101 control and blocking compare to spectol..hammond fa speed could help you but they re tricky and strange tense and not spinny..which is harder to handle spectol or vo 101? I think that besides the pro pips nothing cant beat chinese boosted pips.blade also enhance the trickyness of the pip

Blocking with VO 101 created a very fast, potent, dead ball. It was very difficult to control in all aspects but the blocking was the best part if you could handle it. Initiating attack, for me, was terrible. VO 101 has a somewhat slippery/plasticy topsheet and this makes it play like a medium pip. I strongly dislike medium pips. The lack of spin on medium pips/low spin short pips makes it very difficult to be consistent. So even though blocking with VO 101 provided a difficult ball for the opponent, the low spin, and poor control (and the fast sponge only made it worst) made landing attacks a rare occurrence. Pushing with with VO 101 (and medium pips) was also something I disliked about it. Pushing backspin provided a high dead ball that was very easy for the opponent to attack. For anyone reading this, now or in the future, VO 101 is probably the closest thing to a tensor medium pip. The demand for such a rubber is low so I doubt anything better than VO 101 will ever come out any time soon. So if you happen to be looking for a fast, glue effect medium pip, then get VO 101. Otherwise steer clear. Spectol provides much more control and when boosted, provides an equal amount of speed while still retaining much more control.

bbkon, how soon will you try Booster EV? I await your impressions on baited breath. For now though, can you tell me about the Hexer pips you tried? How did they play?

flamingmdn wrote: Give Spinlord Degu a try. It meets all your requirements. The sponge is soft and springy & spin is medium (just a bit higher than Spectol). I used it before Spectol 21 and moved to Spectol just because I wanted something more 'linear'.

Interesting, how does Degu play? Could you compare Degu and Spectol 21 a bit more. Are the sponge hardnesses similar? Is the speed glue effect high on Degu and is it durable? How much faster is it than Spectol 21? What advantages and disadvantages do they have over each other?