P7 Substitute

From what I was told... Hexer is the closest thing to P7 but I have never tried Hexer... can anyone compare? If I had to go for Tibhar I would lean towards MX-S and get used to it... or MX-P which I think is an overpowered, harder version of the same concept as P7 but... with less control on 3rd ball for sure....

I would actually have said Genius or Baracuda - but 5q is probably it.

Nope, Hexer is nowhere near, tried it.
MX-S is certainly different, but seems like it could be a good choice if you're willing to make changes to your game.

vvk1 wrote: If one's willing to make changes to their game, then any grippy rubber is a P7 substitute :-)

You got me there


But, the change needed to play with H3 would be much, much bigger, you have to admit.
MX-S should have at least couple of similarities; as I understood, it is (like P7) a rubber with not too much catapult, you have to play with the whole body to get the best out of it.

Thanks Magic_M, it means a lot when you can compare them directly!

vvk1 wrote: vajica wrote: vvk1 wrote: If one's willing to make changes to their game, then any grippy rubber is a P7 substitute :-) You got me there But, the change needed to play with H3 would be much, much bigger, you have to admit. MX-S should have at least couple of similarities; as I understood, it is (like P7) a rubber with not too much catapult, you have to play with the whole body to get the best out of it. Absolutely! I've gone through a switch from MX-P to H3 a year ago, and it took me almost an entire summer to get the hang of H3 on FH.  So, yeah, it should be much easier to switch to MX-S from P7 than to H3 - but only because MX-S is not tacky like a Chinese rubber such as H3. It is tackiness and its effect on blocking and "flatter" strokes that really make H3 such a tricky beast to master. And "whole body playing" is useful regardless of which rubber you use on FH!

Yep, my example of H3 was perhaps a bit too much, but I had to have a solid argument
Anyway, I think you get my idea, as people report MX-S should be a really good rubber, esp. in plastic balls era, so it should be worth a try, and yet, it is not THAT far away from P7 as some other rubbers are.

No unebbing flow of praise here. I like the rubber, but it has its issues that you may or may not want to deal with, the most important is that it leads slightly larger strokes close to the table and much larger strokes away from the table than T05 or MX-P. It suits specific kinds of players - people with larger strokes, people who are comfortable with less ball arc, people who want Chinese like rubber without tack. But people looking for catapult or easy spin will hate it.

vvk1 wrote: I was just joking. Still, you must admit that considering the scathing reviews rubbers like Killerspin Fortissimo or Stiga Caligra had received in the past, what you, Ilya, and others wrote about MX-S is mainly positive.

AndySmith wrote: I like P7 and I cannot lie Those other rubbers can't deny When a push comes in with itty bitty spin And you loop it in their face It gets spun. You swines got my interest in P7 up again - haven't tried it for ages.  I used to find it a bit too jumpy in touch play, but it's just perfect with the new ball for me. It reminds me most of a harder-sponged Baracuda.  I may stock up.

@mindtrip: Powergrip is definitively not P7. Rasant Grip is closer in this regard, but also not quite "it" (it has a slightly firmer, less dynamic feel). My hope resides with Tibhar rubbers...or off-brand P7 production.

Edited by patrickhrdlicka - 11/01/2015 at 1:21pm

I prefer Baracuda. And Hexer.

Donic Baracuda is a reasonable suggestion. Our equipment expert Matt used to use Adidas P7 and says it's a shame the brand will discontinue!

P7 is not as spinny as MX-S - if it were, I would be using P7. I have only been able to compare the spin of MX-S to Tenergy 05 for my stroke feeling, though I used different levels of contact for both rubbers given the different sponge hardnesses.

P7 is bouncier than Rakza 7, but one person who used them both could not stand Rakza 7 after having used P7 for a while. His level is between 1750 and 2000 depending on the day and his mood, for what its worth.

The stroke for slow spinny loops with MX-S is larger. Whether it is harder or not depends on your technique.

tabletennis11 wrote: Donic Baracuda is a reasonable suggestion. Our equipment expert Matt used to use Adidas P7 and says it's a shame the brand will discontinue! In terms of similarities the Tibhar Evolution MX-S is relatively similar to P7. It is a little heavier and there are some minor differences in feeling and throw but you could probably make a smooth enough transition between the two rubbers. Great to see so much experience and knowledge here in the forum about equipment, we love it! :)

TT11, it is so unreasonable that you don't sell what your equipment expert uses. You should get some P7 and start a fire sale.