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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Topic: Professional e-Coaching/Analysis of MyTT'ers Posted: 09/14/2015 at 7:39pm |
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Greetings, members of MyTableTennis.net. My name is Coach K and I've come here today to bestow my knowledge of our beloved sport with the esteemed members of the forum. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In recent months, I've been perusing this hotbed of table tennis knowledge and have now decided to create an account in which I can infuse my wisdom to the dedicated players, coaches, fans and analysts here. As a limited time offer and to show my legitimacy, I will be doing free analyses for the first few volunteers who share match or training video with me. Please feel free to contact me through this thread, in private message, or via my soon-to-be-established website. As a preliminary test run of sorts, I have analyzed and documented my findings on some of the more established forum members, whom I surmise to be excited to read my recommendations. I will be establishing my website and other forms of social media in the coming weeks, but this is not for me to advertise my brand. This is for you all, the players. I look forward to hearing from you. Coach K (full name withheld for potential sponsorship dealings to come) NextLevel The man, the myth, the resident mastermind. What else can be said? NextLevel is one of my FAVORITE posters on this site, and I consider myself to be somewhat of his understudy. A great deal of my knowledge to this date has been derived from his postings so it is an honor for me to now reciprocate the exchange of ideas. To keep it brief (free-of-charge analysis must be truncated), NextLevel thrives in his recognition of Dewitt's pattern of backhand opening into an attempted exploitation of the wide forehand. Despite some apparently mobility issues, NL covers the wide forehand well, and makes Dewitt pay. However, I must suggest that NL increase the aggressiveness on his backhand returns and vary his returns in both placement and spin, allowing him to take the driver's seat on offense. pushblocker Love him or hate him, pushblocker may be one of the most controversial players in USATT history. One thing is for sure. His 2300 ratings are real, and his spin reversal is real. While PB thrives on spin reversal, his offensive game is evidently weaker, and thus he can be exploited by more passive opponents. Furthermore, I see a tendency to prefer the backhand return, and quick powershots to his forehand often find him chasing the ball to the barrier. A more neutral stance to accommodate quicker reactions on the forehand is recommended. For deeper analysis of what I'd suggest to compensate here, I can't yet offer. Shay2Be Don't let the 2 in his name fool you. Shay2be has rapidly risen the ranks and won't be settling for "2nd" place any time soon. MyTT born and bred, this vicious forehand looping Pennsylvanian will make you pay if you bring the weaksauce to his forehand. To this end however, I've found his wind-up to be too large and stiff, allowing him to be punished in the re-looping game. In a word, the backhand seems a bit stiff as well. I would suggest a slower rate of uptake on the looping motion, as it is a bit forced and not smooth. A big mentor of mine suggests a 70% speed to 30% spin focus in addressing the backhand loop off underspin, and I would echo these sentiments. schen When I saw Schen's heavy chops and powerful forehand rips, I nearly fell out of my seat and I was laying on my bed! In a word, I love his forehand stroke but think it would be optimized with a more direct stroke, as he tends to end up to the side and actually decelerates at the point of contact. ***SChen approved advice*** Once again, please feel free to share your thoughts with me here, and I will make myself available to anybody seeking advice. I plan to establish myself as a premier internet coach and believe this will be a mutually beneficial venture for all parties involved. Keep calm, forum on, and pong hard my friends. I'll be open to any questions. Edited by Coach K - 09/15/2015 at 1:01am |
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heavyforehand
Member Joined: 02/17/2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 79 |
Posted: 09/14/2015 at 8:39pm | |
Cool stuff, has push blocker lost some weight? I saw him play in person at a club years back and he was very impressive. A complete wall basically.
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/14/2015 at 11:33pm | |
I believe I read in a recent thread that he is very dedicated in weight loss efforts, but I do not want to comment on behalf of the man himself. On a side note, I was PM'd by forum user Matt Pimple, who shared his detailed review of a Dr. Neubauer long pimples rubber. I would highly suggest reading this; long pip play is an aspect of the game that is very crucial but often overlooked. Many of us here are familiar with the playing characteristics of Tenergy and the latest alternatives, but would we know what to do if our opponent stepped up to the table wielding a sheet of Buffalo? Probably not, but if you read this thread, that could be a big game-changer. I particularly like the videos at the end of the post which feature a high level player and how he responds to and adjusts for the spin reversal in drill and matchplay. Thread here: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72731&title=dr-neubauer-buffalo-test-report-with-videos -Coach K approved. Edited by Coach K - 09/14/2015 at 11:33pm |
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schen
Gold Member Joined: 03/26/2013 Location: San Diego, CA Status: Offline Points: 1244 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 12:20am | |
Thanks for the feedback! I can definitely agree with your points, and I am still trying to get comfortable with my shakehand form. Hopefully it will match my penhold forehand sometime soon :)
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 12:22am | |
No problem! I'm sure the transition takes quite a while as your hand feeling and ball sense adjusts, but you'll be ripping those forehand putaways PH style in no time! Please do share any and all details of your adventure into shakehand as it progresses. -Coach K |
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Chicobo
Super Member Joined: 04/08/2015 Location: Fort Worth Status: Offline Points: 191 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 10:50am | |
Hi Coach K,
I recently made a thread asking for advice with a practice video my friend made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vsJY3fUHMM. I noticed that the other matches ITT have been full matches. I recently got a video camera and will try to record a few matches at a local rec center tourney I'm playing in later this week. If I could get your analysis on my play, that would be great. I should have the link up within a week-ish. [Placeholder for tourney full match] Thanks
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idk
Silver Member Joined: 07/11/2011 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 790 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 1:12pm | |
You seem pretty serious about this, maybe you should list some qualifications so people will have a reason to buy into your thoughts? You'd think that would be the first step....
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vvk1
Gold Member Joined: 11/14/2009 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1925 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 1:18pm | |
Maybe it is just me, but my gut feeling is that "Coach K" is yet another "minja" incarnation. Just read the first post.
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idk
Silver Member Joined: 07/11/2011 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 790 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 1:28pm | |
Doubt it, minja was far too concerned with subtle humblebrags to be concerned about helping anyone else on the forum. |
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skip3119
Premier Member Joined: 02/24/2006 Location: somewhere Status: Offline Points: 8257 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 1:35pm | |
=========================== +100 Qualifications and accomplishments (tournaments won), if great, should get him lots of students.
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42andbackpains
Silver Member Joined: 10/05/2014 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 623 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 1:36pm | |
Wasnt minja banned for a certain amount of time. I would think the mods would block all his IPs too. I was PM by Coach K to critique one of my old videos. He seems alright if he asks someones permission first before they give advice.
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idk
Silver Member Joined: 07/11/2011 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 790 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 2:31pm | |
nevermind, mods please delete
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 6:27pm | |
Hey Chicobo! Thanks for consulting me. Lost in translation must've been which player you are in the video! No worries, I will go ahead and share my thoughts with the games of both players, and I won't charge you double for this session, haha! From here on out I will refer to the players as Blue and White (shirt colors) as this is the only information to go off. Blue: I really like what I see in his rallying abilities, especially as far as the initial drills go. He has a relatively strong understanding of spin, spin reactivity, and the appropriate touch for his shots. The continuity of the rally at 00:40 seconds in despite some wacky spins shows a higher level of understanding. Mid-distance looping is clearly his strength, and his favorite part of the game, given his tendency to revert to this position/shot-selection throughout drills and point-play. Unfortunately, I am afraid that I see much breaking down once the serve-and-follow begins. One thing that troubles me is his racket positioning when receiving the 3rd ball, I would like to see a more neutral position so that he can quickly adjust to either a backhand or forehand, depending on the point that is unfolding. Perhaps he knew that you would be pushing back his serve, and he cheated towards such a response? I do not know. I would like to estimate Blue firmly at 1800, but I would say that depending on his opponents and how adaptable his one-sided spin looping game is, he could pressure a player +150 points on him (1950) but I could also see him struggling to cleanly beat a player up to -150 points below him (1650). These are approximate ranges of course but this is what stood out to me. As mentioned earlier, he has a good sense of spin and how to compensate, so I would like to see a fuller stroke on his backhand openings against underspin, I will encourage more confidence, as his mild approach will actually result in him dumping the ball into the net more than he should be. White: This here is a promising player. I see someone who perhaps lacks competitive tournament and serious match experience but is comfortable in drills. He is loose, relaxed, and maintains solid form throughout drills and even into the game. It is best to reserve judgment if and until I see further match video, but my guess is that under my tutelage and with continued practice, we will see someone rising the ranks rather quickly. I do not want to correct anything with the forehand stroke because I see no causes for concern, and I see someone who has a knack for looping and countering. Oftentimes, heavily trained players do not have the composure and smoothness of white so I really like what I see. One thing I will comment on is the tendency to reach for balls. Remember: footwork comes before the shot. Without a doubt, if white would position himself better for some balls, he would make a more comfortable, reliable, and formidable shot. The sequence from 00:20-00:30 illustrates this well. Same goes for the backhand. In both cases, I see no need for correction of strokes, rather, it is time to take these to the next level with some series of drills I can recommend to translate these solid fundamentals into success in matchplay. |
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 6:31pm | |
I honestly appreciate the support and interest I've reached in this thread and in my Private Messages. As Skip suggested, let me share more information about myself. As many table tennis players were, I was born in China. In my youth, I ascended the ranks in the Liaoning province and could have been invited to join the provincial junior team, but at this juncture, my family and I decided I should pursue formal education rather than table tennis. Soon after, I attended grammar school in Canberra Australia and college in Norway, where I majored in English. In Norway, I had the opportunity to partake in trainings at the Norwegian Elite Sports College. I met the local legend Geir Erlandsen and trained with him for a number of sessions but he was still focused on his pro career at this time. I fully believe that the 5 or so matches we played was a greater source of knowledge for me than any 5000 other matches I had played in my life. I won several intercollegiate and regional Norwegian cups to tack on to my previous successes in China as a Liaoning top young player, and 3-time Dalian city cup secondary school champion and vice-champion for singles and doubles, and 2-time Dalian city Kong Jia Xian Open. After leaving Norway with the completion of my studies, I did some world travels to explore my horizons with my newly learned English which I am rather proud of. I traveled to Canada, New Zealand and Switzerland most notably. In my 3 months in Switzerland I won several city and regional tournaments and trained with a player who a few years later went to the USA and attained a 2550 or so rating. The important thing here is that I do not wish to brag about my achievements as player, I am focused as a coach and sharing knowledge now. In fact, I have much to learn as a coach because my successes as a player required little critical thinking of my own, a fault I must admit. I plan to travel to some of the premier table tennis clubs around the world and observe/study/analyze the games of high level players and coaches. I have been given no formal invites by clubs but I am open to any clubs that are willing, if not, I will just observe and share my findings here. As the famous quote goes, an education is expensive, being educated is free. |
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 8:07pm | |
I was recommended in private by Sir patrickhrdlicka that I should provide a more in depth analysis that can be of strategic value for the initial 4 (NextLevel, pushblocker, shay2be, schen). I will post such an analysis soon here but would like to hear the feedback of these 4. Thanks. Coach K.
@NextLevel @pushblocker @shay2be @schen |
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 10:51pm | |
Ok I'm honestly a bit ANGRY at the apathetic response from those who I have helped, to not even do me the decency of a RESPONSE? Do you people on this forum want to learn or what?????????????
-Coach K |
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IlliaV
Member Joined: 09/10/2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 10:58pm | |
i doubt they've all seen the thread yet. pretty sure nl and pushblocker would love to comment on your coaching if they see it.
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 11:00pm | |
Thanks for the advice. I regret showing my impatience, this is not behavior of a good coach. I look forward to their responses and thoughts. -Coach K |
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simon_xuan
Gold Member Joined: 08/02/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1305 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 11:25pm | |
Great tips Coach K. Great to have you on the forum. Thanks.
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IlliaV
Member Joined: 09/10/2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
Posted: 09/15/2015 at 11:54pm | |
it's understandable. you showed a lot of effort and kindness in your diagnosis. I too am frequently checking this thread to see what those members think about your tips.
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 12:30am | |
Thank you Illia. If you have anything to add please do so, I'd love for this to become an open forum of thought sharing. I will soon be releasing my more advanced series on NL, PB, S2B, and SC. These will feature advanced analysis of their strengths and weaknesses, how they should approach games to win, and what opponents can do to approach them to achieve victory. Coach K |
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zeio
Premier Member Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10833 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 12:55am | |
I am sure you know the following words: solicitation and tampering. Just so you know, you're using other people's videos presumably without their express consent for potential personal gain. Your tone and approach is even bolder than the one employed by another member whose avatar starts with an h and ends with an n a year or two ago. His/her passion was not well-received. Good luck.
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ThePongProfessor
Forum Moderator Joined: 11/17/2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1528 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 1:20am | |
Just for the record: here is my response to coach K (from a PM conversation - only my responses are shown):
_________ Hi Coach K - I did notice your post and actually think that e-coaching is an interesting concept. Here are my suggestions why you are not having success yet: 1) people want to know who you are and what credentials you have. Are you 'entitled' to have an opinion (coach for X years; what is your level; use your real identity) or are you an opinionated blogger who would like to make quick money by providing some general input? 2) Rather than giving superficial analyses of ~5 forum members, I would provide an in-depth analysis of your e-coaching skills about a forum volunteer, who agrees to you posting the video+analysis. If people become convinced that you are a capacity, you might get some customers. 3) Many forum members probably have access to coaches already and don't see any benefit. 4) They like table tennis but are not really interested in paying for a coach. 5) you have not given it enough time. I hope this helps - Patrick _________ I followed this up by: I can appreciate that you want to establish yourself based on who you are as a coach rather than a player (however, 'regular' coaches inherently are recognized either on the achievements as players or a track record of coaching success - Samson Dubina, just to take an US example, would probably be able to run e-coaching without a problem due to name recognition). I am not sure if the players appreciated having their weaknesses analyzed and exposed on an international forum (however, you kept your discussion very [too] general to be of any strategic value). I think a better approach would be do an in-depth analysis of an volunteer... ______ -P Edited by patrickhrdlicka - 09/16/2015 at 1:44am |
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 1:36am | |
I am honestly shocked that you would imply I am here for such insidious reasons. YouTube videos are public domain, and I am free to post and discuss videos that have been uploaded by the users themselves and freely distributed amongst this forum. If they have an issue with it, they can tell me individually or remove/hide the videos, none of which has happened. Furthermore, I am not looking to steal students, I am supplementing or being the single source of information for those who want it. Either this is the biggest overreaction of all time, or you are trying to incite drama, and I would guess you are affiliated with another e-coaching service. |
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Vlad0
Super Member Joined: 04/20/2014 Location: Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 159 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 2:15am | |
Coach K, it doesn't work that way! The main job of a coach is to be a sparring partner, watching all the time what the "student" do and correct him. Also you probably know that after some level a player knows exactly what have to do and what are his errors, so obviously doesn't need advice but good practice. I'm shocked a little.
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zeio
Premier Member Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 10833 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 3:21am | |
A prime chance for me to become one of those posters who quote an entire conversation below, but I will refrain from that. The four videos referenced above are licensed under the Standard YouTube License, which explicitly states under "6. Your Content and Conduct" that "C. For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your Content." In case you need more citations:
You may claim fair use but that is not for you or me to decide. However, your approach raises a flag in my personal "code of ethics" and I am sure there are others out there who share similar sentiments. The utter lack of response from one who "you have helped" is a strong, silent statement.
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Coach K
Member Joined: 09/14/2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 38 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 7:47am | |
Vlad0 - many of the best coaches in the world do not actually physically stand at the table and spar with their players. You clearly do not know much about advanced table tennis.
Zeio - maybe you are wrong maybe you are right. In that case, we should start making it against forum policy for anybody to post a video that is not theirs and commenting on it, right? I'd say the real reason that people have not thanked me yet is because they are struggling to accept that I could be the best alternative for their learning, and that they haven't ever realized the truth in what I am saying. |
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Purett
Silver Member Joined: 05/28/2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 937 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 8:00am | |
great job coachk
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rating solid 1000
moving up to 1001 |
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vvk1
Gold Member Joined: 11/14/2009 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1925 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 8:23am | |
OMG.
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Tassie52
Gold Member Joined: 10/09/2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1318 |
Posted: 09/16/2015 at 8:27am | |
Btw, clown is spelt with a C not a K.
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