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ttwater 
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ttwater
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What does "severing the ball" and "aftereffect" mean? Also what's the difference between loop, drive, and loop drive? I'm not quite sure what the exact differences are in English :(
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Loop is mostly spin, drive is mostly hit, and loop drive is both spin and hit together. In other words, when you loop you focus on producing spin, with speed coming incidentally, when you drive you mostly hit, with spin coming incidentally, and with a loop drive you focusing on actively both spinning and hitting.
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Posted: 10/28/2015 at 11:49am |
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please edit your post
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My apologies, I typed that on my phone during a class break! It should be cleared up now. |
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could anyone give an estimate on how long does it take for the dome to come down (for gluing to blade) in the case of a new H2/3 boosted with one layer of WBG and 3 layers of Tempo LT booster?
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I glued my tg3 neo with a U shape on.
After seeing wang hao trying to glue a half curled blue sponge rubber, I said why not. |
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The best way is recommended as gluing it straight away to the blade w/o any organic or booster treatment.
Boosting is good for DHS manufacturer and sellers. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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LOL these terms are out-dated eh? Everybody loop drives now, and for those shots you can't loop drive, it's the "loop." I don't think anybody "drives" now  |
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@ttwater: where did you get this information?
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Well, there's a penholder in our club who drives, I'm having him try out short pips, he doesn't loop at all. But yes, the drive alone is outdated - you loop heavy backspin and if you're skilled you loop drive everything else. |
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"I glued my tg3 neo with a U shape on." how and what did you use to glue it and how did it work out?
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What do you mean? It's supposed to be glued on with a U shape. Doesn't any glue work?
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Hi,
I think I came across the same description in Chinese (if you read simplified) from a TaoBao store, it was a picture in the description sections. I am not sure which one is the original though... http://world.taobao.com/item/35797293178.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-6074156515.26.hrP0rd
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Confused on 2nd half ??
Organic glue, Inorganic glue and iron box?
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I looked that up, organic glue are petro based, and the inorganic is not. I guess the box is sheltering the rubber from oxidation while being prepared (didn't read that part)
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I am not exactly sure what they mean but my guess is that organic glue refers to VOC containing glue (based on organic solvents) like the good old rubber cement or speed glue. I assume that inorganic glue refers to water based glue (WBG) even though WBG is still based on organic compounds just that they are soluble/dispersible in water and it does not contain any organic solvents. In this context the term "inorganic glue" is completely wrong as there is no such thing unless we start to talk about concrete or mortar but I am sure that is not meant here. |
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You are correct. I am based on the description I read from TaoBao which presumably is the original Chinese passage of the paragraph (which I have posted it in the previous post). The Chinese TT community usually classifies WBG glue as "无机胶水", where the speed glue as "有机胶水". The term "有机" essentially being translated to "organic". If translated wordy by word, the term "无机胶水" would mean inorganic glue which does not make more sense, but this is just what the Chinese TT community so far. To give a background, from going to the Chinese forum and viewing the videos, it seems that boosting with speed glue (or anything equivalent volatile) is still very popular. Numerous Taobao stores has described how to tune/boost a rubber (especially the non-neo Hurricanes) to its potential. This is the reason why the article describes how to do that with Chinese booster (dianchi, lidu, haifu, etc) or with the classic speed glue.
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Thanks for clarifying tazdevil. By the way, I don't know Chinese but I am a chemist.
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Matt, since you are a chemist - wouldn't solvents be a oil derived product thus organic for glues that require solvent and water based (glue) does use it thus inorganic. I am only asking since you should be able to easily answer it.
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I do think this is an interesting read, as it goes such a long way to describes the differences between using the booster directly on the sponge vs layering the sponge with WBG glue first. I do not aware such a big difference between the two though. If I have to translate that part from the original Chinese article, I would refer it as: Booster directly applied to sponge: Better ball rebouce speed from the rubber, crisp, but a little bit hollow (does it contradict with "crist" I just said?) while lacking some catapult effect, suitable for those doing quick hit and block, mixing with loop (implying not too good for continuous looper) Booster over few layers of WBG: Optimal speed an power I'll leave out the VOC glue section as I don't think too many of us want to explore that option anyway... Edited by tazdevil - 10/29/2015 at 3:30pm |
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I actually use VOC glue; I use Elmer's Rubber Cement. This is NOT the same as speed glue. |
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No! The actual glue in the WBG is still an organic compound/polymer, just that it is delivered in water and not in an organic solvent. After a short period of time the solvent (organic or water) evaporates and you are left with the actual glue. |
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Thanks, from a technical point of view then I guess there is no such thing as an inorganic glue for PP. The Chinese description must be referring to the delivery medium (or something - I don't usually read these Chinese forums)
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The majority of people who boost in this forum; wait for the topsheet to stretch after the sponge has been expanded by the absorption of booster.
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Asifgunz, I tried to glue my piece while it is 1/3 curled, wasn't successful - what did you use and any tips on how?
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If you're having problems gluing, it might be the glue you're using. I know that DHS and Nittaku work perfectly :)
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I used the Nittaku Finezip, didn't work - I have a small tube of oil based glue (that I never tried) but I am hesitant to use in case it is not easy to remove
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