Loop-kill against block

When I loop kill, I close the blade even more (60-70 degrees) and brush near the top edge of the ball. The ball comes off with more speed and spin than a standard loop and the trajectory is much lower in comparison. Loop kill vs block requires finesse, as the incoming ball has little spin for you to work against.

Against underspin you do have a very high quality loop kill if the ball is not too high.

I'd say the footwork is different. For the medium speed loop, you have the weight transfer, hip turn, and the foot movement during the stroke is slight. For the loop kill, the weight transfer is more extreme causing your left foot (possibly both feet) to leave the ground and step forward. 

To me, it's all about reading the return as quick as ppossible and then quick footwork so that I have enough time to get in good weight transfer and hit the ball somewhere near the top of the bounce. Also staying really low helps me easily keep my bat angle closed enough to have the ball wizzz past the opp without having it flying it out when I swing all out. Perfect weight transfer as well as keeping yua core stable(eexactly why many pros make weird noises while looping hard, they breath out to tighten the core) enough on contact is what most people don't do ( i havnt mastered it completely yet lol lazy me). 

This is similar to my problem. When i rip it real hard with open paddle i do make a lot of spin, but in my case the ball first makes an annoying flat jump before starting the loop trajectory. My derivative problems are same as yours too. If I don't hit too hard or use more brush the ball bends around the net, but a 2000+ will have enough time to get to it and too many come back. This usually happens on a poor block where the ball is defenseless, not much spin and comfy, and I feel I have to crush it and either outright win or never lose initiative again. However after a 'controlled' kill my opponent is often able to get back in the point  and many times win it. 

mjamja wrote: Next Level, I have progressed past aiming for the white lines.  I now aim for the places where a little of the white paint has chipped off the edge of the table.  Maybe that is why I have so much trouble at Nationals and the Open.  No chipped paint on those new tables to line up for my deadly placement. Mark - Who knows there are 3 important things in TT: placement, placement, and placement.

I'm with mind trip.  Close the paddle as much as you can, then put your whole body into it.  Try contacting the ball further from the body. 

Spin83 wrote: I would advise, again, people not to watch Henzell video because he doesn't make those kind of strokes in a real match. They are much better, otherwise he wouldn't stand a chance with that shitty technique you see in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyxCcKnUX_E  you can see for yourself..watch his bh stroke also kind advice to people who know little about table table..please don't teach others things you don't know nor understand.

Edited by NextLevel - 11/25/2015 at 10:19am

BRS wrote: This is totally OT, but how do people get good spin on the kind of punch serve (or whatever it is called) that Justin Han is using in the video above?    It doesn't look like there is any wrist movement at all, not the direction the paddle is facing at contact.  Are there tutorial videos on that serve?  It makes reverse sidespin, which would be cool, and doesn't appear to require full range of motion in the shoulder and wrist.

Edited by NextLevel - 11/25/2015 at 10:34am

If I'm training a newbie,