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Tibhar Evolution EL-S and FX-S |
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incarnation
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Thanks for the detail review. I will have a try then. btw how is it compare to T05. I am currently using Timo boll ZLC with T05 on both forehand and backhand. I really like the grip and spin of T05. and which website do you order EL-S ? thanks lol
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ashishsharmaait
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Less bouncy as compared to T05 in short game. Needs just a tiny little bit more effort in counters and medium speed shots. A notch slower at full swing compared to T05 and a fair bit lesser spin on loop drives. The short game and blocking is better than 05. |
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bard romance
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Have you tried FX-S as well?
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slevin
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FX-S would be too soft for me.
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nv42
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To start off, the el-s topsheet is definitely the most spin sensitive of all the new gen 'made for p-ball' rubbers, kinda reminded me of the first time I tried baracuda. Loop-drives are amazing with this rubber, the top sheet and sponge works together pretty well, just like t05, however pure brushy loops arent as good as on t05 or mx-p.
Now the main issue I had was with my serves, no idea why, but I just couldn't put as much spin on the ball while serving short or long as compared to when I use mx-p, aurus, rakza, t05 or even some old gen rubbers like the donic sonex jp. Tried it for quite a few days, gave it a few club mates to try so that I can judge the spin myself, even reglued it once which dint change anything much. I used to find that I couldn't serve all that well even with the mx-s, but only a small differnce. If mx-p is 10,aurus is 9 and mx-s is an 8 , but I found the el-s to be a 6 or even a 5. I'm still confused why I can't seem to get in some good serves with such a grippy rubber (even my clubbies couldn't) Serves are a big part of my game so even though I loved the rallying capabilites of el-s, just had to change back to mx-p. |
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1.dhs pg2 fl
-FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
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Ladon1997
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Tenergy - like rubber but not Tenergy
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mog1111
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I have just tried a sheet of fx-s on my fh in 1.9.
it is very spinny, I served better than with 05fx. but I just find the throw to low and then I am scared to really swing with confidence. I keep trying other stuff on my fh, but I always find 05fx just suits me best. even though I despise the price and practice of buying tenergy it just makes it easy to loop if you shots tend to be a bit flat |
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jk92
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I just put a sheet of fx-s on my backhand @ 2.1mm What a weapon it is! my backhand spin and punch is lethal compared to Rakza X at 2.0mm. I'm actually surprised at how much control I still have on this despite it being so powerful. Will have to see how it plays during match play
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DreiZ
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Just glued 1.9-2.0 ELS on my SSCB ST. First initial impression is that the topsheet is not as grippy as my used MXP.
Overall hardness seems pretty close to my used MXP (which was slightly boosted), a degree softer I guess as stated by the stats. Overall weight still heavy but feels abit lighter than 1.9-2.0 MXP both sides. Will test it this Saturday. I feel like I bought into the hype of this rubber, hopefully it won't disappoint me. Edited by DreiZ - 10/20/2016 at 7:28pm |
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Ladon1997
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Softer sponge is certainly lighter than harder one for the same thickness
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DreiZ
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First session with EL-S so here are my impressions.
1.9-2.0mm sponge Speed: MXP > ELS Spin: MXP > ELS Control: ELS > MXP Rubber feels like a tame MXP; less bounciness, speed, and spin. It doesnt seem to have much factory boosting (or not at all). I can certainly say its a good all around offensive rubber but not a monster like MXP. Blocking is easy with it, flipping serves too. Overall hardness actually is not that far from MXP giving that semi-direct feel. Stepping away from the table, it does produce a similar arc to MXP, so i wouldnt call it T05-like, but the arc on MXP feels a bit lower and "tighter". I still prefer MXP away from the table. Lifting backspin has similar feel, nothing out of the ordinary. What i want to mention is brush looping with ELS seemed harder. I feel that MXP has more surface/topsheet grip. In terms of spin sensitivity and service, the rubber is not as sensitive to spin as MXP, i also prefer serving with MXP but i may have adapted to it after using it for so many months. For what its worth, its a good rubber but i wouldnt replace my MXP with it. The reason i bought it was to see if it would make a difference in terms of weight on my 87g SSCB but its not significant enough to outweigh the benefits that come with MXP. Thats about it so far.
Edited by DreiZ - 10/22/2016 at 8:19pm |
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danjacob02
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I used to use an EL-S on my Fang Bo ALC... In my experience it's spinnier than both T05 and MX-P. imho
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Makelele
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Did you use it in your FH or BH? |
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danjacob02
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I used it on my BH. I got very spinny flicks,pushes,lobs and loops on it. Very good for opening up and receives. Blocks very well. Though I think it's more suited for blades that are hard and that are quite fast as it lacks speed if you'll use it for all out attack. Perhaps in LoopKills, T05 and MXP have the upper hand due to the lack of speed. As their speed give them some "weight" to it as well. I'd say it's best for an All Round attacker or a single wing attacker(FH) who'll use it for the short game and control on the BH. Haven't tried it on a flexy and soft blade though, so I'm not sure how that feels like. It's actually my favorite rubber for the BH because of the spin and control it provide. Though would like it to be a notch or 2 faster. I like blocking and punch blocking on my BH so I still prefer MX-P over it.
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Makelele
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So finally your preferred rubber for BH is.... |
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danjacob02
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Haha I know I'm contradicting myself. So yeah if using an OFF+ blade EL-S wins. If I'm using an OFF- to OFF blade MX-P wins.
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Chicobo
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Does anyone have thoughts or comparison between EL-S and FX-P for different strokes?
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jonyer1980
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Ive been trying it today on my blade but didn't like too much as a BH rubber. It's quite sensitive to incoming spin and it's difficult for blocking because of its higher throw angle... I'd rather prefer other low throw not as spin sensitive on my BH.
Edited by jonyer1980 - 10/27/2016 at 5:44pm |
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danjacob02
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Perhaps it depends on the blade you use as well. I found my EL-S to be medium throw. What blade did you use it on?
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jonyer1980
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Acoustic
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jonyer1980
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I would like to know exactly how many degrees of hardness do they have.
From the harder to the slower... MXS>MXP>ELS>ELP>FX-S-FXP??? MXP is something around 47° MXS~49-50° ELS~45-46° FXP~40-41° FXS~42.5? ELP~42.5°? |
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FXP 39.1-41.1 FX-S 41-43 EL-P 42.4-44.4 EL-S 43.8-45.8 MX-P 45.7-47.7 MX-S 46.3-48.3 |
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neon
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Hello friends, in net I found some pictures of pips of EL-S and FX-S. Think pips are a little bit wider with a little bit less distance between pips... may be something like t05. See pictures of t05 and old evolution in:
http://tt-maximum.com/forum/index.php?topic=4916.0 Tks.
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nv42
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El-s pips are indeed similar to that of t05, the spacing and pip length espeically, though the el-s pips might be a tad bit wider. This is why i couldnt understand how some ppl found it insensitive to spin. The top sheet is a bit right and hence might feel a bit non- reactive at soft touches, but you will definitely feel how reactive it is while blocking someone's topspin off a push.
However, even with such a spin sensitive topsheet I still don't understand why it can't produce enough spin in serves. |
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1.dhs pg2 fl
-FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
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seguso
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Hi guys, I am using EL-P on fh, I am looking for something a bit faster but with the same control. Slightly harder is ok. Is EL-S faster than EL-P?
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nv42
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El-s may have a bit more top end speed and spin than el-p, but I guess el-p should be a lot more easier to use in the lower and middle gears. It did work well for me on FH on all attacking strokes, enough speed and spin and kinda felt like I was playing t05 during rallies, but I just can't seem to get used to the kinda right topsheet for my overall game, especially serves.
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1.dhs pg2 fl
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assam
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I think it is a little faster on fast strokes. I had no trouble on serve. I could make really spinny serves
I've just changed to Rising Drangon because I felt it too soft for my FH. I still have it on BH
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seguso
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My doubt is... El-s in theory should have even less catapult than El-P, because of the smaller pored sponge. (like MX-S has less catapult than MX-P). I wouldn't like to buy EL-s and discover it is even slower than el-p...
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pg5x - mxd fh & bh - 2015 video
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slevin
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For same hardness as EL-P: Rakza 9 (I liked this more than EL-P, especially with the plastic ball) |
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assam
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I didn't notice less catapult in EL-S, but each one has their preferences (the same way I didn't notice differences in FX-S and FX-P). I never tried MX-S so I can't compare it to MX-P... If you could you should try one from a friend
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