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    Posted: 07/25/2016 at 5:00pm
Hello Everyone!

What are your opinion on Butterfly Raystorm vs RITC 802-40? Which one is faster, spinnier, softer?
How do they compare to each other?

your input is greatly appreciated!

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Raystorm is a little faster and moderately spinnier than 802-40. I recall them feeling similar for hardness.
I never found any advantages to 802-40 except price, but that was coming from inverted.
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I've tried raystorm but never 802-40, so cannot compare, but of the short pips I've tried, raystorm is one of the ones that plays more similar to inverted.
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As said above, Raystorm is faster, spinnier and softer than 802-40. Better to attack.
802-40 is cheaper and better to block.
However I wouldn´t use any of these SP. There are tensioned SP much better than both, specially with 40+ ball, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

As said above, Raystorm is faster, spinnier and softer than 802-40. Better to attack.
802-40 is cheaper and better to block.
However I wouldn´t use any of these SP. There are tensioned SP much better than both, specially with 40+ ball, in my opinion.


I have recently switched to 802-40 on my cpen FH. before this I was using Evo MX-P on FH. It's been 3 weeks and so far I've enjoyed the characteristics of this SP rubber. But, I'd like something much faster. Spin is Ok, a little more is also fine but I'm now sure less spin than 802-40 will be beneficial for my style or not. Can you suggest me other SP rubbers, other than raystorm, with spin similar to 802-40 but faster?
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I am using 802-40 now on FH and I have used 802 with Mystery III sponge. Coming from an inverted rubber and moving to short pips 802 Mystery III is easier to use as it is more grippy, sponge is a bit harder. It is easier to block as the angle is similar to inverted. For 802-40 blocking angle is more open. I found 802-40 harder to control, less grippy, softer sponge, a notch faster and deadlier and easier to smash. 
I believe 802-40 is deadlier if you play a more active offensive style and 802 Mystery III better on a push-block defensive style. I played with short pips without coaching used them in ways I found suitable to my style of play. I am a push-blocker and rarely venture  2-3 steps away from the table.
I play with 802-40 on FH and on another setup 802 Mystery III on BH I don't know why, it just feels right when I do so. Oh by the way I twiddle a lot even in the middle of rallies.
802 Mystery III is cheaper but this hasn't kept me from buying the more expensive 802-40 (the EJ bug in me).
My thoughts and opinion for whatever its worth.


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Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

As said above, Raystorm is faster, spinnier and softer than 802-40. Better to attack.
802-40 is cheaper and better to block.
However I wouldn´t use any of these SP. There are tensioned SP much better than both, specially with 40+ ball, in my opinion.


I have recently switched to 802-40 on my cpen FH. before this I was using Evo MX-P on FH. It's been 3 weeks and so far I've enjoyed the characteristics of this SP rubber. But, I'd like something much faster. Spin is Ok, a little more is also fine but I'm now sure less spin than 802-40 will be beneficial for my style or not. Can you suggest me other SP rubbers, other than raystorm, with spin similar to 802-40 but faster?

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802-40 is a faster, raistorme is a bit spinner.
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Originally posted by obesechopper obesechopper wrote:

Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

As said above, Raystorm is faster, spinnier and softer than 802-40. Better to attack.
802-40 is cheaper and better to block.
However I wouldn´t use any of these SP. There are tensioned SP much better than both, specially with 40+ ball, in my opinion.


I have recently switched to 802-40 on my cpen FH. before this I was using Evo MX-P on FH. It's been 3 weeks and so far I've enjoyed the characteristics of this SP rubber. But, I'd like something much faster. Spin is Ok, a little more is also fine but I'm now sure less spin than 802-40 will be beneficial for my style or not. Can you suggest me other SP rubbers, other than raystorm, with spin similar to 802-40 but faster?


Joola Ultra Express or Moristo SP



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Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

As said above, Raystorm is faster, spinnier and softer than 802-40. Better to attack.
802-40 is cheaper and better to block.
However I wouldn´t use any of these SP. There are tensioned SP much better than both, specially with 40+ ball, in my opinion.


I have recently switched to 802-40 on my cpen FH. before this I was using Evo MX-P on FH. It's been 3 weeks and so far I've enjoyed the characteristics of this SP rubber. But, I'd like something much faster. Spin is Ok, a little more is also fine but I'm now sure less spin than 802-40 will be beneficial for my style or not. Can you suggest me other SP rubbers, other than raystorm, with spin similar to 802-40 but faster?

Moristo SP in MAX would be a good choice.
However I didn´t become a fan of this rubber. I like more Yasaka short pips, started with Xtend PO and upgraded to Rakza PO, which in my opinion, has the ideal balance between speed, spin and control for a SP.
I still want to try Hexer Pips.
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Hexed imo is way too bouncy the rubber seems comparably way too soft but the pip spacing is close playing like an over boosted smooth sheet with less tack.

I had 802/802-40 on a carbon hinoki blade, I could not find a difference in spin or speed between the two

Ray storm is similar to Hexer in pip spacing and grip/spin but less softer/bouncy imp has better control.
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Raystorm has vertically and 802-40 has horizontally oriented pips. What effect does that have on playing characteristics of the rubber? What does penhold players prefer for their forehand?

Edited by ronakvyas86 - 07/26/2016 at 9:04am
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Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

Raystorm has vertically and 802-40 has horizontally oriented pips. What effect does that have on playing characteristics of the rubber? What does penhold players prefer for their forehand?


Majority of the man penhold Sp players prefer horizontally aligned...
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Female Sp penhold tends to play with vertical such as shan xiaona with flairstorm and the Japanese girl with spectol

In general I think the horizontal alignment has more spin and vertical alignment have more speed and knuckle
For me the vertical hits flatter but the ball skids on the pip more, you have to drive with the horizontal and it is more stable as the ball does not skid as much but the shot is slower

My observations were based on different rubbers... Maybe someone who has used both alignment of the hexer pips can chime in



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The speed and spin of 802-40 depends greatly on the sponge as there are many variations...
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Originally posted by ronakvyas86 ronakvyas86 wrote:

[QUOTE=TT newbie] As said above, Raystorm is faster, spinnier and softer than 802-40. Better to attack.
802-40 is cheaper and better to block.
However I wouldn´t use any of these SP. There are tensioned SP much better than both, specially with 40+ ball, in my opinion.


I have recently switched to 802-40 on my cpen FH. before this I was using Evo MX-P on FH. It's been 3 weeks and so far I've enjoyed the characteristics of this SP rubber. But, I'd like something much faster. Spin is Ok, a little more is also fine but I'm now sure less spin than 802-40 will be beneficial for my style or not. Can you suggest me other SP rubbers, other than raystorm, with spin similar to 802-40 but faster?[/QUOTE]

That was my impressions of 802 and/or 802-40 on my clipper Cpen FH. Simply too slow. Don't get be wrong. Loved the feeling and control but on an average hit when factoring speed, I felt it was significantly down from anything inverted.

I think it was a me thing as I've seen plenty of SP players hit very fast.  If I were to ever give it another go, I'd probably try some more modern tuned SP like a Haifu Dolphin or something.
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are you using the factory white sponge?  that's a control oriented sponge for sure
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Originally posted by The Canadian Bacon The Canadian Bacon wrote:

Hexed imo is way too bouncy the rubber seems comparably way too soft but the pip spacing is close playing like an over boosted smooth sheet with less tack.

I had 802/802-40 on a carbon hinoki blade, I could not find a difference in spin or speed between the two

Ray storm is similar to Hexer in pip spacing and grip/spin but less softer/bouncy imp has better control.


802-40 makes no knuckle efect but hexer is spinny and when I
played with it gave trouble to my opponents

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If you want a faster SP, you should try Spinlord Waran.  That is one of the better SP I have tried coming from an inverted rubber.  One of my club mates has switched to it from 802-40 and he loves it.  He can loop and smash with better precision.  He said that the feel is much better and the sponge gives him good speed.  He is a penhold player.

My own experiences with Spinlord Waran is similar.  I am a shakehand player.  I use the SP on the BH.  It is very solid on block and you can create good spin on chop and BH opening loop.  Of course, the spin will not be as good as inverted.  I just like the variation of the spin SP gives at this point.  Still experimenting it for now.
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Ok...I've played with both and I would agree with most of the assessments. Raystorm is a little softer, has more spin, and is more like inverted rubbers. I was never a fan of 802-40, but for the money it's ok. I also think the alignment of the pips is like someone said above...more spin vs faster, and maybe a little more weird.
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