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JKC
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Posted: 08/29/2016 at 7:37am |
Me and Fred Yesterday.
I can still take him out away from the table though.
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suds79
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Pretty wicked serve at 0:25 in the video. Disguised it well.
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JKC
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He does have some really good serves. I'm a pretty good returner of serves and I face them around 5 times a week and still can't pick the one that goes away from me. The one that comes back in to me tends to get me right in the crossover point and then there is one straight down the line that tends to win the point outright also.
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BeaverMD
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Any league/tournament matches with other juniors?
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JKC
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No. I never record his matches.
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BeaverMD
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That's too bad. It's always good to see how players perform under pressure. Or what their tendencies are when they're down 10-9 or something like that. Oh well, nice video nonetheless.
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Tt Gold
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Obviously he looks way better here, that what he would look like in real matches against a good attacking player.There were so many points were he would have lost against an attacker, where the man just played the ball on the table instead of putting pressure on him.His serves are mostly long so he definitely needs to improve on his serves and receive game.
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JKC
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I'm sorry, but you are seriously underestimating the quality of and spin on his serves and the unpredictability of his ball placement during general play if you think I should be able to attack more. Had I been some noob that he was playing then you would be correct, but I was ranked in the top 150 in England when playing competitively with a victory over a player ranked 13 in the country and also an 11-0 win over the number 3 woman an the country in competitive matches. I believe also that I am playing better than ever.
As for videoing his matches, it isn't something I ever plan to do. Edited by JKC - 08/30/2016 at 6:46am |
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Tt Gold
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There were a lot of points were you could have put pressure on him, but didn't.
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JKC
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As a player, do you always get to do what you want? Or does the ability of your opponent ever prevent you from doing exactly what you want to do.
i do object also to being told I am not a good attacking player which I am, just not able to be when pinned on my crossover with serves and kept guessing where he is hitting the ball. If you do not understand the difference, then you must play a very simple version of the game. Edited by JKC - 08/30/2016 at 9:10am |
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Tassie52
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Over the years, I've watched many of Fred's videos. I've always refrained from commenting. Why? Because I'm smart enough to know that you, JKC, and nowadays Fred know a thousand times more than I ever will. Which is why I find it so amusing when others post "advice", sorting out Fred's problems and criticising a kid who could take them apart with his right hand.
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JKC
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He went away to an England training camp last week and came back with more confidence in his forehand. He does seem to have increases his rotation which has given him more consistency when hitting hard. |
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Tt Gold
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JKC
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In your initial reply, you clearly say that 'in a real match against a good attacker....' which would imply that you think that I am not a good attacker.
you probably need to watch a few less pro vids and come back into the real world when judging what other forum members are capable of. although you look at the vid and see someone not moving into position to hit a more positive shot taking a backhand rather than a forehand or blocking rather than being more attacking, my shots are very deceptive. Though the swing is short, the wrist is very quick and there is a lot more spin than you think on my shots. Edited by JKC - 08/31/2016 at 6:01am |
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Tt Gold
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Well I could have worded it better so sorry for misunderstanding,but im not thinking that you should play like a pro.I just told you what other good attackers( doesn't mean your not good)would have done.You don't have to be a pro to make two more steps and finish the ball of with a forehand.
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JKC
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When a ball is there to be finished I will finish and when there is time to take 2 steps and hit a forehand then I will if the ball received is suitable. As it wasn't, there wasn't and it wasn't, then I didn't.
You must be a much better player than me to be able to do these things. If you have a video of you playing, please share a link so I can learn. Edited by JKC - 08/31/2016 at 7:07am |
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Tt Gold
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I'm just saying that if the kid plays against physically fit players that are fast, he has to deal with those things.Also your assumption wouldn't fit for everyone.Just because someone can do something better that someone doesn't mean he is generally better.I know guys that have better serves than me, but that doesn't mean that they are better.
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JKC
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And I'm just saying that I don't know your level and whether you are able to do the things that you are suggesting I do and whether you understand the quality of the ball you are asking me to do it against. So until I know your standard and whether you make your suggestions based on your own ability and experience or from watching a few vids and deciding that this is how the game should be played I will stick to a game that I know is effective for me. There is a whole lot more to being a good player than looking like a good player.
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Tt Gold
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There is Not "one right"way to play the game.I'm saying that the stroke you've chosen at that point was not the best one, but I understand that the suggestion I have made, requires a certain level of physical fitness.
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JKC
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That's it, keep hammering away at the physical fitness route rather than the skill route. You have clearly lost the argument and failed (in this thread as well as others which I have read) to demonstrate much more than a rudimentary knowledge of our sport. Keep trying though and when you feel up to it post a vid of yourself for us to enjoy.
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Tt Gold
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What happened there?
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JKC
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Must find that thread again if it hasn't been removed.
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JKC
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Probably best to let sleeping dogs lie.
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Tt Gold
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Wise words
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Tassie52
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I predict there will be no video from Tt Gold, precisely because he can't do half of what you can. Which is the point I made previously. Armchair experts can all play better than the pros - until you ask them to post a video. He obviously missed the post where you gave your credentials, or else is so arrogant he still thinks he knows better than you do.
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JKC
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I don't worry too much, and I'm happy to debate with anyone about my game or Fred's.
More debate = More views = More adsense money. lol. Fred is just looking forward to getting some new equipment to play with in the next few days, so he is keen to play as much as possible. He is also planning to make a service video so maybe I can learn to receive them better.
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Tt Gold
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Jkc funny how you can't take critique.Keep thinking that you know everything better.Oh I forgot you were in the top 150 in England, but I'm not going to start this as I might get banned by some butt hurt people that can't accept the fact that there countries....Anyways no point in talking to you anymore, even though it would be interesting to know where I failed with my posts.Bye.
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kenneyy88
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Looks a lot stronger than in the past. Any physical training? or just getting older?
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JacekGM
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I have just spent some time reading this... JKC indeed is a straight shooter. I must say that I pretty much agree with Tt Gold, am a little surprised he let it it go... interesting.
The requirement for the commentator to be a very high level player in order to accept his/her remarks is simply absurd. This has been practiced here at times, by some macho/ pretentious types, but is just pathetic. The truth is the kid is very good, but it is also true that at this point in his development (physical, as a player, and mental) his game needs to be analyzed from all these angles, and going soft on him e.g. such that he can show his strong shots simply does not make sense. Instead, filming and analyzing his matches from real competitions has to be recommended, as Tt Gold pointed out. |
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benfb
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I don't want to get too deep into this argument because too much of this is being felt on a personal level and people are getting upset. Still, I'd like to make a few points: 1) It's impossible to post videos without being critiqued. You have to expect a lot of feedback that you don't like, don't agree with, or find insulting. And you have to be prepared that some of those comments may be true. Personally, I find it a lot more suspicious when people only post compliments. 2) Your skill level may be better than ever, but do you play with the same hunger -- the same ruthless will to win -- that you used in your more competitive days? If you're playing well, but not playing to kill, that will produce "highlight matches" that look good in video, but don't reflect competitive ability. I'm not saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility and you might not even realize it. 3) Let's suppose you're just playing "your" style, that has always served you well. Then it's likely your son has developed his own style in a way that specifically counters your style and that he knows how to find your weak points. What I see in the video is that your son never looks worried, never looks confused. That's what a tournament match video would reveal. Otherwise, it's really hard to see his full potential. That said, I did enjoy the video.
Edited by benfb - 09/01/2016 at 1:39am |
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