Evolution rubber color differences?

You need to weigh them and measure the thickness of the sponge and ideally with a durometer to tell.

Your red sheet may be heavier or it could be that your black sheet has lost its tuning already and hence feels less spinnier. IMO the black Evo sheets are a tiny bit tackier and gripper than the red sheets, but big enough a differnce that yud notice easily. Iv noticed on many older gen esn rubbers that the black topsheet is usually tackier and maybe softer while the red is a bit harder and faster.

Surprisingly, I havnt noticed this differnce on most of the newer gen 'made for plastic ball' rubbers

I wonder if the colors is what's causing so many discrepancies between reviews on the Evolution Review threads. My black sheet is definitely more lively but it doesn't have the same overall power as my red sheet. The red sheet definitely feels more dead until I start swinging. It feels like a boosted hurricane 3 NEO while the black sheet feels more like a typical tensor.

Can anybody confirm this for EL-S or any of the other Evolution rubbers?

I just switched from using black mx-p on backhand to red, and they are totally different, the red is way less springy and less thicker, and less spinny.

I think so also.

if you look at Samsonov who plays Evo (MXP, MXS) .. he mostly plays red on FH and sometimes out of nowhere chooses black. Just today I was watching him play Yuto Muramatsu (the chopper) and noticed he played w/ black rubber on FH. Watch out for his next match - he'll probably go back to red!

Black rubber typically uses carbon black to obtain the black coloring.  These are small particles that tend to change the character of the rubber.  It is a big part of what makes car rubber durable.  Modern red rubbers frequently rely on only red dye that do not have such an effect.  In order  to get some balance between the two methods of coloring,  some additional components must be added uniquely to one or both rubbers to compensate for the changed caused or not by the different colorants.  I guess different manufacturers do better and worse jobs of this with different rubbers.

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unstopabl3 wrote: Baal wrote: Very interesting.  I did not know any of that. I agree with the person who says that the difference is slight these days, but I definitely like to use the black side on my forehand with MX-P.  I am glad I am not the only person who felt like there was at least a slight difference.  I thought it was all in my head (which was odd because for some reason I always would use red side for forehand, for decades, always with Tenergy 05).  And even though I am not the only one, I still wonder if it is all in my head. What's the slight difference you felt between red & black MX-P rubbers? And did you feel this difference with Tenergy as well?

Let's assume for a sec that black color is spinier than the red one. And let's also assume there is a scientific explanation and that the top 100 can even feel the difference - when compared apples to apples. Wouldn't you agree that pros would then overwhelmingly prefer one vs the other? The ratio for H3 is easily 100+ to 1, so I can totally see that being the case (maybe remotely or "WLQ once said" etc). As for Tenergy and the like, you see pros playing both colors 50/50. There cannot possibly be any measurable difference as they would kill to get that extra advantage.

Butterfly Japan claims(rather claimed as they just updated the layout and the FAQ is gone) there is absolutely no difference between black and red. They take color discrimination seriously!

ラバーの色で性能は違いますか？ ラバーの色は、表面のシートを作る時に含有させる顔料（色素）によって決まります。 テナジー・05のシートのゴム性能とスピンアートのシートのゴム性能は違いますが、同じテナジー・05であれば、元になるゴムの性能はまったく同じです。そして、そのシートのゴムに入れる顔料はごく微量なので、同じ種類のラバーであれば、赤でも黒でもほとんど性能に差はありません。色は違っても機械テストでは同じ性能数値が出ます。

Google translate for fellow readers:
Is the performance different depending on the color of the rubber?
The color of the rubber is determined by the pigment (pigment) contained when making the surface sheet.
The rubber performance of the tenacity · 05 seat and the rubber performance of the spin art seat are different, but if it is the same tenaze · 05, the performance of the original rubber is exactly the same. And, since the pigment put in the rubber of the sheet is very small amount, if it is the same type of rubber, there is almost no difference in performance between red and black. Even if the colors are different, the same performance figures are given in the mechanical test.

Also samsonov I m sure doesn't get the same stock that we do, the thing is we are not saying it's every rubber, it's specifically mxp. And if players at our level feel it, then the difference is not that minute but it's sizeable.

Baal wrote: notfound123 wrote: Baal wrote: in this case we are specifically talking about MX-P Even if we are talking MXP here... to me personally, Samsonov's judgement means more than any mechanical test out there. The guy used red MXP on FH for quite some time. If he could feel the difference he would have switched without a doubt. Maybe Samasonv preferred the slightly tackier side on his BH instead of his FH? And now he uses MX-S on BH, so it's not impossible. Or maybe there really is no difference. Look, I'm still not sure what about this but it has seemed like that to me since the first time I tried the stuff. I certainly don't feel strongly enough about it to argue about it. But it is the rubber ive played with for the last few months if that means anything. And I never had that sensation with T05