The Hype around the Hype around National H3

zeio wrote: Ran into this comment a while ago by Yoshihito Miyazaki, JNT's Chief for the Strengthening Division of the National Training Center. Better late than never. Miyazaki confirmed National H3, the real real deal, is off-limits to the public. @4:57, https://video.fc2.com/en/content/201801089cL3Sb63/

So what about the BS National Hurricanes on DHS official TaoBao store and on prott? Are they legit or fake?

Does boosting affect the throw characteristics on a rubber? I mean you are making the sponge softer. I would think the throw might be affected. 

Edited by Fulanodetal - 02/21/2018 at 2:54pm

Fulanodetal wrote: "<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3"</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Where do you get this idea that Nat Hurricane 3 BS are low throw? Have you personally tried them out yourself or is this conjecture?</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">FdT</span>

yes I know a girl who plays with h3 that his father bought from zhou you's coach at the bercy worlds and her father knows a coach that has friends among chinese coaches. this guy gave me a provincial 729 rubber that was absolutely AMAZING the rubber was inside a simple plastic bag with no name .

the h3 bounce almost like a short pips very low arc and has a smell different from normal H3 and FYI ma long can give you some sheets if you re polite abd kind with him.
after all in the last days of competition he wont use the 30+ sheets he carries in his bag only lower ranked cnt are checked if they sell their rubber(they must return the worn ones to the coaches?

if anyone is interested in trying out the real deal: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79262&title=highend-blades-dhs-w968-ma-long-combo

Edited by h0n1g - 02/18/2018 at 1:35pm

Ran into this comment a while ago by Yoshihito Miyazaki, JNT's Chief for the Strengthening Division of the National Training Center. Better late than never.

Miyazaki confirmed National H3, the real real deal, is off-limits to the public.
@4:57, https://video.fc2.com/en/content/201801089cL3Sb63/

Edited by zeio - 02/18/2018 at 12:12pm

I have got some sheets of BS Prov. Boosting the first one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2OvJBMREql8OUNuRmY5V2x2Rm8/view?usp=drivesdk

No, it doesn't. It only proves that people could be relieved of the burden that the hype is based around another hype, hence the title of this thread.

bbkon wrote: zeio wrote: They look at impurities and foaming(pore size) in the sponge. National and Provincial have way less and are much more even than Commercial. National is said to go through 8 rolls during rubber mixing. Provincial is said to be 4 rolls. what do you mean with rolls?

Like how you roll the dough when making the pizza base.

Mizuno Q3:


There is also a Japanese program for Butterfly wherein it is briefly shown how the Tenergy Sriver(?) was made in the lab at the Butterfly TEC.

Same for the DHS Institute, where all the CNT custom-made National H3s come from.

Industrial setting:




Edited by zeio - 12/23/2022 at 11:28am

Fulanodetal wrote: "<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Disclaimer:  I don't know squat about National H3, having been a British Leyland hard rubber man from 1997 to 2005.  I don't think that there was a National H3 back then."</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Just last night I was watching the final between Wang Liqin and Ma Lin back in Shanghai 2005. Still an amazing game!! Yes I believe Wang was in fact using a Hurricane III on his FH. Sponge was a dark blue one. But I cannot confirm.</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">FdT</span>

real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3

A quote from 2010. Still true today but to a lesser extent. There are two more paragraphs, one for Provincial and one for Commercial, but nothing new.

关于国狂、省狂、狂飚的区别： 国狂是我公司为国家队顶级运动员根据其技术特点量身定做的套胶，符合个人运动员的各种特殊要求，红双喜有专门的团队负责国家队器材保障，北京奥运会，红双喜团队就与国家队一直保持密切的沟通，包括热身赛的跟踪服务。，目前北京奥运会7名参赛队员王皓、王励勤、马琳、马龙、王楠、郭跃、李哓霞都使用红双喜量身定做的国家队套胶，该种套胶因为根据每个人的技术细节，有不同的技术配合方案，在性能参数上更加精细，工艺要求更加严格，量产难度非常高，为保证红双喜产品品质，因此国狂不做市场流通，外形上为“四角”。 National Hurricanes are tailored to the top players of the national team in accordance with their technical traits, and manufactured specifically to individual requirements. A dedicated team has been put together by DHS for the very purpose of securing equipment for the national team. In preparation for the Beijing Olympics, our team has been in close touch with the national team including individual monitoring service during warm-up matches. The seven players participating at this Olympics, Wang Hao, Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, Ma Long, Wang Nan, Guo Yue, Li Xiaoxia respectively, are using DHS sheets custom-made with unique technical formula suited to different playing characteristics; hence a higher precision in performance parameters as well as more rigorous craftsmanship, all of which make mass production impractical. In an effort to ensuring the quality of DHS products, national Hurricanes, in shape of a square, are kept out of circulation of the commercial market.

DHS have made them available for purchase on their official Taobao shop.

National H3

National H3 BS

National H3 Neo BS

Provincial H3

Provincial H3 BS

Gist: They DO exist.

Edited by zeio - 08/15/2017 at 10:36pm

Here are some questions nobody's been able to answer:

zeio wrote: AndiHL wrote: Don't want to create a new thread although I have a question concerning the provincial version: Are there real differences towards the commercial versions? Or in other words: If an unboosted NEO H3 has the following points control: 10 speed: 10 spin: 10 What would be the points for untuned NEO H3 provincial? 10+ for all, if you insist. Meant to write something on this, but got held up by something else. Here is a picture comparison of the sponge at 540x by magazine Ping Pang: Click to enlarge There is also difference in the topsheet.

I will be testing a H3 Neo National from Tabletennis11.com shortly and I am very excited.

Well, I actually don't mind being called deranged, and thought it had a nice ring to it to kickstart the thread.

Here is to address some of BeaverMD's questions.

DHS came back into the limelight in the late 90s, after Friendship 729 had a run-in.

According to DHS:
H2 was designed for Wang Liqin and Yan Sen, for the 40mm ball.
H3 was designed for Liu Guozheng.
TG 2 was designed for Ma Lin.
TG 3 was designed for Wang Hao.

The G888 is said to be the predecessor of the Hurricane series. The first-ever model to be sold as "套胶"(a combo rubber in which topsheet and sponge are glued already) in China in 1998.



There is no doubt DHS is riding on the confusion to drive sales. Confusion creates discussion. Discussion creates buzz. So long as DHS knows and makes it clear Hurricane 3 is the industry-leading model in tacky rubbers, people will keep forking over their money. It won't benefit them to let people know what the CNT play with is different and off-limits to the general public. Butterfly denies the existence of Tenergy SP. This is true of all brands and manufacturers. They want to make you believe you're getting the same thing.

DHS does make an effort in curbing counterfeits. A report was posted by an official staff on Tieba in early 2017. On the DHS official site, there is a list of official brick-and-mortar resellers, some of which also host an online store. It's a never-ending battle.

Knockoffs in the making


On the issue of tuning National H3, it is believed National H3 takes booster better than the lower tiers. If people feel the need of getting National H3, they are likely much more serious than most about quality and performance. The very reason behind tuning is for better performance, right? In much the same way, if people are serious enough that they need to use Tenergy, it wouldn't make sense for them to use Tear Mender to stick it on, right?

8/15: Fixed image.

Edited by zeio - 08/15/2017 at 3:19pm

"Disclaimer:  I don't know squat about National H3, having been a British Leyland hard rubber man from 1997 to 2005.  I don't think that there was a National H3 back then."