DHS 40+ seemed balls suck

rocketman222 wrote: I agree that they could be fakes, I will wait on you guys to tell me your observations on the balls from the 10-pack, its just that the ball from 6-pack feels very close to nittaku balls, and the 10-pack ones feel lighter during play.

Does your 10 pack have a date code? ITTF requires a date code, if there is no date code embossed on the box, they are fake. If there is a date code, it's highly likely they are real unless the faker took the extra step.

Here are some unscientific loosely controlled results from comparing some unused 6 pack balls from earlier in the year to a 10 pack I just got from paddle palace.

Bounce height, I dropped both balls simultaneously on the counter multiple times. They bounce the same. Tried a few different balls from each pack, same.

I grabbed my hardbat paddle with Dr Evil OX pips and bounced a bunch of different balls as high as possible up to the ceiling. They all feel the same to me. Switched to Tenergy 80, same.

I used the spectrum analyzer app that people have been using to record blade frequency and got the frequency of the balls bouncing on the counter. The results were close enough that I call them all the same or likely within expected manufacturing variance.

I will play with the balls at the club this weekend.













Edited by qpskfec - 09/14/2017 at 6:21pm

rocketman222 wrote: I'll find the date and report it here tonight, i m sincerely hoping that the ones i got were fake, in that case its not big deal, cause 20 of them cost me 9$, and I can donate them to my office pingpong supplies.

Edited by BigFatLoop - 09/14/2017 at 8:42pm

rocketman222 wrote: I agree that they could be fakes, I will wait on you guys to tell me your observations on the balls from the 10-pack, its just that the ball from 6-pack feels very close to nittaku balls, and the 10-pack ones feel lighter during play.

Edited by BigFatLoop - 09/14/2017 at 8:57pm

Double fish V40+ isn't that far off in color.

Victor_the_cleaner wrote: after reading that mega thread, i bought about of ding ning DHS balls from ttnpp. They are TOTAL GARBAGE, COMPLETELY WORTHLESS.  Maybe i have gotten some weird batch, but these balls cannot last me one 3-hour day at the club without cracking, half of them are not round, and are too rough-surfased to retain any kind of spin. The balls has tremendous air drag that just kills speed and spin.  They are nowhere near Nittaku. Not on same planet. Maybe i got ML balls in DN boxes? Who knows what u get when u buy crap from China. Just don't you tell me its my perception.

Here's the pics of the crap balls https://imgur.com/gallery/1Euh7

The box looks totally the same as I got from TTNPP. Can you compare the color of the bad balls with other brands? 

Edited by book4all - 09/15/2017 at 9:52am

book4all wrote: The box looks totally the same as I got from TTNPP. Can you compare the color of the bad balls with other brands?  My DHS Ding Ning D40+ 3* also have a stamped batch number : XFAG (F is no clear, could be P, but mostly F).  I used some D40+ from TTNPP, though still use Nitakku Premium 90% time. The first day experience of D40+ are very good, close to Nittaku Premium. My recent experience brought up a little doubt. I saw the first real time crack during the play, just like the old DHS 40+. After that I immediately switched to Nittaku Premium again. So I still don't have enough experience at this time to tell good or bad.  I wonder how many people have bad experiences with DHS D40+ 3 star balls. And how many people feels very good. If you can add the source, like TTNPP, TT11, eBay, etc. , that would be great.

That stamp means yours were made in June of 2017.  A P in the second position would never exist.  (The date code is simple, first two letters are month with X denoting zero, and last two letters denote year; ITTF mandates that code, although I really don't know why they just don't tell manufactures to stamp the date on the box so people can just read it).   I got one bunch from a site on Aliexpress (10-boxes) and another from ttnpp (6-boxes).  Haven't noticed that they are different in play, although sometimes I imagine that the ones I got from ttnpp make a slightly higher pitched sound when they bounce. If you really want to be sure, buy from TT11. 

Yes, although some of them may also be rebranded V40+ balls from Double Fish.  Still, they play similar enough.  I agree, this general class of balls is going to become the standard (and also, playing properties of seamless are likely to become more and more like the seamed ABS).  Not everybody will love them, but we won't be having to deal with so many different classes of balls.

Yes, April.

siestakey wrote:   This is baffling , bought loads of Ding Nings  from TTnPP can't see a problem !

As ALWAYS,

Baal wrote: book4all wrote: The box looks totally the same as I got from TTNPP. Can you compare the color of the bad balls with other brands?  My DHS Ding Ning D40+ 3* also have a stamped batch number : XFAG (F is no clear, could be P, but mostly F).  I used some D40+ from TTNPP, though still use Nitakku Premium 90% time. The first day experience of D40+ are very good, close to Nittaku Premium. My recent experience brought up a little doubt. I saw the first real time crack during the play, just like the old DHS 40+. After that I immediately switched to Nittaku Premium again. So I still don't have enough experience at this time to tell good or bad.  I wonder how many people have bad experiences with DHS D40+ 3 star balls. And how many people feels very good. If you can add the source, like TTNPP, TT11, eBay, etc. , that would be great.  That stamp means yours were made in June of 2017.  A P in the second position would never exist.  (The date code is simple, first two letters are month with X denoting zero, and last two letters denote year; ITTF mandates that code, although I really don't know why they just don't tell manufactures to stamp the date on the box so people can just read it).   I got one bunch from a site on Aliexpress (10-boxes) and another from ttnpp (6-boxes).  Haven't noticed that they are different in play, although sometimes I imagine that the ones I got from ttnpp make a slightly higher pitched sound when they bounce. If you really want to be sure, buy from TT11.

Edited by book4all - 09/16/2017 at 12:13am

The 2017 MSRP for D40+ in China is ¥3.2(~$0.49 as of Sep 16) each for the 6pk.

Edited by zeio - 09/16/2017 at 12:26am

wilkinru wrote: Just about every company is coming out with new balls right now. You know why? Because they are rebranded D40+ balls. Every company is swapping out from the old garbage and soon the seamless ball will be the odd ball we complain about as the new standard will be these D40+ and Nittaku. ...