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    Posted: 09/15/2017 at 6:48pm
I noticed Gambler has some new FLC blades they claim is like ZLC. Maybe it's a Chinese copy of ZLC? Limba, Koto and a hinoki blade. Here is the innerforce type blade


Every Fire Dragon has 2 layers of proprietary *high modulus carbon interwoven with multi stranded tempered filament,(F.L.C). F.L.C expands the optimal striking surface and gives the blade optimum flex recovery even at the highest professional levels all while maintaining touch and feel.


4 outer layers of high grade Limba and Koto followed by *high modulus carbon interwoven with multi stranded tempered filament,(F.L.C)., Inner core of high grade select clearwood.
Carbon layers are placed closer to the core to provide an overall soft feel while maintaining the kick of carbon, Fire Dragon Touch is a very nimble blade with notable flex and kick.




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It sounds nore like the stuff Stiga uses in Carbonado to me.

That is a quite nice looking blade IMHO.
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The other blades are limba Koto with the FLC under the first layer and then the Hinoki FLC




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Where are they available from?
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Originally posted by ashishsharmaait ashishsharmaait wrote:

Where are they available from?

Zeropong

P.S.: posted at the same time as piligrim

Edited by Matt Pimple - 09/15/2017 at 7:56pm
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Originally posted by ashishsharmaait ashishsharmaait wrote:

Where are they available from?


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Might be a pioneer and try this. With 729 focus 3 snipe rubbers.
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Is there a chinese website that sells Gambler products worldwide? I searched on Aliexpress and Taobao but didn't find anything, strange considering they are chinese brand....
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They look gorgeous. The only thing that cools me down is the size. Otherwise for this price I wouldn't think at all and jump on it
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EJ mode kicks in just bought all of the blades with free shirt per blade.
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Originally posted by vinox27 vinox27 wrote:

EJ mode kicks in just bought all of the blades with free shirt per blade.

Interested in how the blade plays.  And the design of the moisture-wicking shirt looks extremely sharp.  Hmmm, maybe something to wear for the NA Teams this year.

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I'm trying one.  I should get it by tues eve.  A guy told me he thought his was ok so.  I was skeptical based on the rosewood oversized I tried that seems to be of the same make.
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I have a PH version of the Fire Dragon Touch, which is supposed to be similar to the BTY Innerforce-ZLC. The construction of the blade looks to be the same, but i can't tell if the wood composition is the same. The head size of the Gambler blade is the same as the BTY blade.  I forgot to weigh the Gambler blade before mounting rubber on it, but it feels much lighter.  I'm sure it is, because my 2 ZLC-CS's are much heavier than the spec at over 90 grams each.

I use 2.1mm Tenergy on both sides.  The blade feels very solid and has a slightly harder feel than the BTY blades I have.  In my case, this is perfect for me, as my BTY blades feel like they've lost some pop over the years.  I know there is a theory that composite blades degrade through use, and while I used to be skeptical of this, I'm more of a believer now.    This combo seems to fit my play style perfectly, and I have much better feel and generate more spin. 

I'm not sure whether the blade feels better because of the lighter weight, newness, or superior construction, but I do like the results.
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

They look gorgeous. The only thing that cools me down is the size. Otherwise for this price I wouldn't think at all and jump on it


Agreed! Nothing wrong with 151x161, but it’s just not what most people will prefer. Fingers crossed down the road they will offer 150x157.

(Also, the pink handle on the “fast” will probably be polarizing. But it looks cool.)
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I got the fast version (fire dragon) and it is much stiffer and harder than almost all my other blades. At first I thought it was like my galaxy T8 blade which feels like a brick, but it has pretty good control for blade this fast. I am currently using razka 9 and xiom asia omega V both in 2.0 sponge. My blade has a mass of 90 grams.

The shirt was the kicker for me. Great deal at 10 dollars. Fits well. This is a steal at 45 dollars for both (counting shipping). I am thinking about trying the one or two of the other blades. 
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Interesting.  I've been looking for a fast composite blade at around 80g.  For $40, I wonder what sanding it down to 150 X 157 would do to the weight, balance, and the performance?
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Does the larger head make it feel more head heavy? I'm looking for a balanced blade.
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Originally posted by richrf richrf wrote:

Does the larger head make it feel more head heavy? I'm looking for a balanced blade.

I do not think it is particularly head heavy. I will try to get a weight with current rubbers, but with razka9 and i think air assasin it was 184 grams
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by richrf richrf wrote:

Does the larger head make it feel more head heavy? I'm looking for a balanced blade.


I do not think it is particularly head heavy. I will try to get a weight with current rubbers, but with razka9 and i think air assasin it was 184 grams


Thanks. Looking forward to your comments.
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Just ordered a Fire Dragon Touch.  When I get it, I'm going to weigh it out of the box, then shave it down to the profile of my Xiom blades, then weigh it again, mount rubbers and evaluate its performance.  I think taking it from 151X161 to 150X157 will probably take 3-4g off the total blade weight.  Maybe it will open the door to try some rubbers that I felt were too heavy previously.
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i got mine. sure looks nice.  will try it out tonight
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Out of curiosity, is anyone going to perform the frequency measurements as per:

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79593&PN=3#999531
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Originally posted by dsc13 dsc13 wrote:

I know there is a theory that composite blades degrade through use,


is it true ?

and what it look like that free gambler t-shirt ?




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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

i got mine. sure looks nice.  will try it out tonight

Which one did you get?
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Just received my Fire Dragon Touch.  Weight listed on the Zeropong website:  81g plus or minus 2g.
Weight of blade received:  91g
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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

Just received my Fire Dragon Touch.  Weight listed on the Zeropong website:  81g plus or minus 2g.
Weight of blade received:  91g


I guess right off that means that it's best to talk to them directly and have them weigh one before ordering if 90+ grams is an issue.

Did you do a frequency test?
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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

Just received my Fire Dragon Touch.  Weight listed on the Zeropong website:  81g plus or minus 2g.
Weight of blade received:  91g

I'm going to pick mine up in Vegas.
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I did not do a frequency test, I don't have the app, and frankly, I don't buy the correlation based on some of the numbers I saw on the table.

I emailed Zeropong, and I'm sure they'll straighten the matter out, it's just that I've never seen a blade that's 10g off from its published weight.  I didn't specify, because I felt I could deal with the tolerances they published.  I have a suspicion that it might be an error on their website.  Anyway, I've raised the flag for other readers, and Zeropong knows they have to look into it.
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I have the fast blade, both blades are the same thickness and mine also weighs 91g. +/- 2 grams is never going to happen lol. Most blades can vary 10 grams so if you want something specific better ask. I have had Butterfly Korbels from 80 grams to over 100 grams

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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

I have the fast blade, both blades are the same thickness and mine also weighs 91g. +/- 2 grams is never going to happen lol. Most blades can vary 10 grams so if you want something specific better ask. I have had Butterfly Korbels from 80 grams to over 100 grams


That's nasty. A 20% difference. Someone should get fired.

I know that there are Japanese and European versions, possibly that is the problem.
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