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Sedis
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First of all many thanks to arg0 for organising a European leg and allowing me to test the Nexy Arche I have been particularly keen to test this blade as I currently use a 5 ply combination blade made for me by Ross Leidy, with Maple on the forehand side and black Limba on the backhand, so was interested in what a commercial combination blade would play like. I am a pretty average allround type player, probably slightly more versatile with my backhand and have been playing 3 or 4 times a week at a club for the last four years after just playing recreationally for quite a few years before that. I managed to get about 7 hours playing with the blade, initially with Stiga Mantra M on both sides, swapping the backhand side out for Mantra S for the second half of the test. This is the combination I played with all of last year, so I am very familiar with it. The blade is really good quality, which you would expect at the price point, but I was still impressed at how new it looked despite being tested by a few people before me. I particularly liked the way the shoulders were quite high and had been sanded/rounded off, which made it really comfortable to hold. I normally use a flared handle, but this is really just due to habit, I expect a straight handle might actually suit my game a bit better and I didn’t find the straight handle held me back in anyway. The ‘jewel’ in the handle is not to my personal taste, but I found it more annoying than I thought I would. Some of this might be down to the fact I was twiddling to test both sides of the blade, but I also found myself catching my little finger on it when returning to my normal grip after serving . I took a few measurements before attaching the rubbers. The blade was 80g on my scales, which I think was what was mentioned before it went out for test. I like blades on the lighter side, so this was only slightly lighter than I am used to and suited me very well. The blade was 5.98mm thick with no deviation or unevenness. I did the bounce test and got a reading of 1313hz on both sides - interestingly my own combination blade gives a reading of 1356hz on the Maple side and 1335hz on the Limber. I don’t know how much to read into this, but the results were the same when repeated several times. I started by doing some basic backhand and forehand drills with someone I practice with regularly. I found the speed to be perfect for me, I would say a fastish OFF- or a slow OFF. It had a nice solid feel, in some ways closer to 5 ply blade with a hardwood outer veneer. It felt very controllable and quite linear. When hitting the ball harder it felt a little more direct. When twiddling the racket to try the different sides, doing these drills I found the difference to be extremely subtle. With my own combination blade, although the power is pretty much the same on both sides, the feel is quite different, with the Arche it was not so noticeable. I did not have to make any adjustments at all when swapping sides. Next I tried doing some slower loops and lifting backspin. Here I felt there might be more of a difference. I felt I might be getting a bit more spin on the Ash side (possibly more dwell?), however I also got a few more surprises where I hit the ball into the net or long, when I didn’t think I had got it that badly wrong. I think this was probably to do with not knowing the subtleties of the blade, I found it happened less when I swapped to a softer rubber on the backhand and I had, had more time with the blade. In the short game I found the blade slightly livelier than I am used to, but not ridiculously so and I was able to adapt very quickly. Again I could not feel much difference between the two sides, likewise when blocking, although the blade felt great when blocking and very precise, I couldn’t really tell any difference between the two sides. Overall I think this is a great blade, there aren’t that many good quality OFF- blades available, so it’s nice to have another addition. I feel this would suit anyone who doesn’t want or need a massively fast blade and prefers a slightly harder feel. I am less sold on the combination aspect of the blade, it is a bit too subtle for me. I would either prefer there to be more of a difference or just have the same both sides and make any changes solely through rubber choice. That said I applaud Nexy for trying something different and hope they continue to do so - something with different wood veneers or even different composite layers might be right up my street. It has also convinced me of the general quality of Nexy blades. Edited by Sedis - 06/16/2018 at 10:51am |
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As always, great review, Andy. I agree whole-heartedly with most of it, particularly the need for hard, catapulty rubbers to get the most out of Arche. And yes, Magic_M, Nexy make the best handles of any brand of blade I've tried.
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Magic_M
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That's exactly what I feel. The Arche-handle also fits to larger hands (like mine), in opposite to some other brands like Xiom with their ZX3. Is there anyone, who wants or prefers such silly deep wings like Xiom uses? In my eyes only players with small hands would feel comfortable with such a handle. Another big winner is the shape of the Arche handle. While most flared handles are too thin near the head and too wide at the end (which feels uncomfortable if you have larger hands), Nexy designed a moderate flared handle, which combines the advantages of flared and straight handles. For example I (normally) prefer straight handles, but I love THIS flared handle and I like it more than the straight handle of the Arche. @ all brands and blade-makers: Please look at this flared Arche handle and try to copy it. In my eyes almost every FL player and every ST player will feel comfortable with this handle. For me personally this is the perfect handle.
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AndySmith
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I've had the test Arche for a few weeks now during its Euro
tour (sent on via kevo - many thanks for the fast shipping). I've had 5 sessions with it with a variety of
rubbers. Here's what I think. Physicals Build quality is very high, as usual for Nexy. I find Nexy to be the absolute best in terms of comfort - the shape of the wings always seems to fit me perfectly. Your mileage (and hands) may vary of course. I'm not a massive fan of square-ST handle shapes (the Rubicon's WST handle option was great) but if it was my own personal blade then I'd sand the edges down a bit to make it more round. The gem doesn't bother me, but I'm not twiddling. In Play The basic speed of the blade feels towards the upper end of OFF-. Slower than the true 7 ply powerhouses (Clipper) or popular 5+2 composites, faster than classic 5 ply all woods. The feel is sharp and definite in low-effort situations, but when applying any sort of power the hardness gives way to more dwell, so it avoids becoming too bouncy or runaway. Nexy seem to have a habit of producing blades that slot somewhere in a vague area between 5 and 7 ply behaviour (Lissom, Rubicon etc), and this is another case. Looping gives a relatively surprising (considering the harder outers) impression of dwell and the blade has a solid, reassuring linear nature. This makes it easy to generate arc safely and consistently. I really enjoyed how Arche lends itself to "pressure" looping - you can generate enough spin to force the opponent to block, and then looping against block is very effective to continue to build pressure during the point. The blade lacks raw top speed though and IMO needs fast, hard rubbers if you want to hit massive winners all the time or if you spend your time looping from distance. The short game is precise and the lack of too much bounciness helps a lot with handling incoming spin. It's definitely a tad harder/bouncier in very passive situations when compared to, say, a 5-ply all-wood with limba outers, but we're not talking about the aggressive bounciness of hardwood over spruce by any means. After the first few sessions with a variety of Rasanters, I tried Hype KR on the BH and Aurus Prime on the FH and it made a world of difference. For me, Arche makes more sense with harder, lively rubbers. The additional punch and catapult helps when transitioning from close to mid distance. The Rasanters feel too inert on it. Combo Properties I've experimented with combination blades in the past and unless you consider the more extreme defensive constructions (using really asymmetrical ply constructions), the results tend to be quite subtle. I find Arche quite interesting because the difference between the two sides seems more obvious depending on the shot context you find yourself in. On hard hits, or very passive situations, I can't feel much different at all. The middle ground feels special though - opening up against backspin, controlled counterlooping, "relaxed" active blocking (i.e. not punch blocking at max strength). In these situations, the ash side offers more dwell and a slight drop in speed, so the arc increases. This really helps me when using it on the BH wing when I can't get enough wrist action on the ball - the result is safer and the pressure of reading incoming spin/speed is a touch lower. The harder wenge (or whatever) side needs a more aggressive approach in comparison, but the mechanical possibilities of the FH stroke mean you're generally getting more action on the ball naturally anyway. This seems to be a very clever design for a blade considering how the BH receive game has evolved in recent years. To try to get a feel for the difference in the two wings I put new sheets of R47, black, ultramax on both sides in my second session with the blade and twiddled each hour or so. What stood out to me when doing this was how the ash side made BH flicks, flips, banana receives quite a lot easier and more reliable, while the wenge side gave more speed and penetration when I was in those "generic" looping exchanges we all find ourselves in. Overall Putting the combo properties aside for a bit, Arche is an excellently made thin-ish 7 ply all wood with solid feel, nice feedback (without a lot of vibration), and real-world usable upper OFF- speed. I really enjoyed using Rubicon, but Arche fixes the issues that stopped me from adopting that fully by being slightly faster overall, but more linear at the same time. Controlled looping from close to mid distance, linear response, easy-to-handle speed - this ticks a lot of boxes for a player like me. The negatives would be the lack of raw speed and flex - if you need that, you'll be needing fast rubbers on Arche (switching from R47 to Aurus Prime helped me a lot during later sessions). The combo configuration is only useful if it makes sense to your individual game - I liked it, but it's not a make-or-break feature for me. I did miss having a bigger sweet spot at times (my recent blades have made me a little lazy in this respect I fear). And it's expensive. As much as I liked Arche, I feel that the combination construction is a little wasted on me. This has made me very interested to check out the Tibhar Akkad when it hits the market. Many thanks to arg0 for arranging the tour - I really enjoyed spending time with this one. |
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ohwell
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Love it Magic_M!!! Might take my Dremel to it as well.
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Magic_M
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For sanding the crystal I used this toy:
and here you can see the result (comparison between original and sanded crystal): The crystal is not completely removed, but it does not bother any more. Edited by Magic_M - 05/04/2018 at 5:05am |
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Of course you are right. The blade on the right side is the newest.
I will remove the crystal as I did with the first two blades. When I do this, I will make a picture of the "removing-equipment".
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arg0
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I suppose your latest buy is the one on the right, because it still has the blue diamond...!
Edit: Would you mind commenting on how you removed the diamonds? Other people complained that they are uncomfortable, so maybe they'll want to remove it, as well. Edited by arg0 - 05/03/2018 at 3:10am |
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I still love this blade.
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kevo
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Nexy Arche
Review or: A Combo Dream for LP/Anti Players
As noted in
previous reviews, thanks to Nexy for providing the test blade and ArGo for
organising the test rota. I received the
blade two weeks ago and have been using it since, totaling about 6 hours play. I’ll skip
the composition details as they’ve been covered in other reviews and skip
straight to the review of the playing characteristics. Firstly, a
word about my style and current setup. I have returned to using—after using the
Dr. N Matador for 2 yrs—a Nexy Labyrinthos Combo blade with Tibhar Grass DTecs
OX on the BH and Tenergy 05 max on the FH. I play a close to the table long
pips blocking, FH attacking game. I play in the 1st Div. of the
Dublin regional league where I win roughly 50% of my matches. This sounds better,
likely, than it is as we rotate our team’s players based on who we’re playing
etc. and I’ve had the same drop in form when using the ABS balls as every other
pips/anti user but hey, them’s the breaks… So, with
that out of the way, I was eager to give the Arche a try as a combo blade user
and a lover of Nexy blades generally. I also thought that my perspective might
be somewhat unique in that I would be testing the blade with LPs on the BH
side. The FH: Pros: The FH side of the Arche is a
close-to-the-table looper’s dream and reminded me very much of my memories of
the Stiga Offensive Classic I used for many years though with maybe a bit
faster, bigger, truer, sweetspot. The throw angle with Tenergy is medium high/high—T05 having a high
throw itself—and the dwell is lovely and
long. There is a real sense of high spin-control about this set-up and a
real feeling of ‘this is a top end all-wood blade’ about the Arche FH. The
speed is in the All+/Off- level, I would say, but the FH of the Arche is
noteworthy for its linear control. You feel you can put the ball exactly where
you want no matter how hard you swing, provided you’re relatively close to the
table. You get loads of control and spin on serves, much more than with
something as hard and crisp and carbony as the Labyrinthos I use now. It’s no
speed demon but if you win the bulk of your points with spin, Arche is ideal. Cons: No real cons, though you won’t be playing
massive counter loops from 20 feet off the table with the Arche. It has decent
power close up and from medium distance but after that, you’re gonna want
something heavier or with carbon. This ain’t no con, man, it just is what it
is! The headsize is somewhat smaller than I’m used to, and might do with being
a tad bigger if Nexy intends to tap into the LP/anti user market—which I highly
recommend, more anon—but that’s probably just me, used to the Labyrinthos. Oh yeah, there
is a major con, to do with the handle—and the ST handle is brilliant in
the hand as you’d expect of a Nexy which makes this all the more…connish!
What is up with that stupid, plastic, pale blue diamond thingy on
the bottom of the FH side of the handle just under the lens? I mean really… It’s bothersome when you feel it—which
is not often, admittedly—when you are playing standard FH shots etc. but when
you do feel it, twiddling or on
certain serves? Totally annoying.
Like a bad tooth. It also looks like someone robbed it from a Barbie vajazzle
set and stuck it on with Gorilla glue for laughs. If the blade was mine and not
a tester, it’d be plucked out like an unopened mussel from a plate of pasta pescatore! And now
back to the love-in that this review is meant to be… The BH: Pros: This is where the Arche really shined for me.
The backhand had a lovely soft yet stiff, crisp—you get me?—feeling under the OX LPs, giving blocks a nice, linear
trajectory. Again, the DTecs is known for this but the blade has a bearing on it
too, and the Arche delivers really good backspin off incoming loops. But what’s
more, and what makes this the ideal blade for LP users, is how, despite the
crisp feel, there is a dampening effect to the Arche BH which I normally
associate with balsa. Now, the Arche does
not feel like a balsa blocking blade at all. It has far more control and
lacks the punch balsa gives when it is engaged offensively. But I would really
recommend this blade to the LP user who does not like balsa and prefers
controlled blocking and pushing over offensive pip use. I would imagine it
would be great under frictionless antispin as well which does not work at all
under balsa. It is a light-ish/mid-weight blade—around 80-85 grams—so again,
perfect for close to the table blocking. Some other reviews have mentioned the
Arche feeling head-heavy but with the LPs it was not the case at all and felt
perfectly balanced. Cons: Can’t really come up with any. Again, if you’re
used to balsa, as I am, it won’t feel/be quite as dangerous as a
snappy/full-blown-balsa-blocker-blade but you will land a hell of a lot more of
your blocks. Overall: The Arche works really well as a Combo blade.
The FH loops lovely and the BH blocks with great control and feeling. Topnotch
construction and performance. Highly recommended for LP/Antispin users who also
attack with their FHs and for those needing a tiny blue plastic diamond for...something? Anything? And now for
some of that pasta pescatera… Edited by kevo - 04/26/2018 at 10:02am |
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I was also extremely busy over the last months, so I tried to comment as much as I could on the thread while knowing I wouldn't write my full review for a while. Here it is, finally. **** (For the folks who want details about playing level, here is more. Unranked. My serve and receive game is very weak. My looping and short game technique are much better than my playing level - I’m quite new to TT but my background in other racket sports has been helping me ask the right questions in improving my mechanics. That said, my long term muscle memory for TT is weak, so the quality of my technique varies quite a bit with how much I have been playing on a given week. I rely much more on short and mid term muscle memory than players with more experience. So if I don’t play lots on a given week/month it needs to be built back up over a few hours. My background with musical instruments makes me particularly attentive to feel, sound, and very interested in blade construction.) ***** With the blade: 40-60 hours (not sure). Rubbers: MX-S 1.9mm on both sides. Weight: 83g. ***** BOUNCE TEST OBSERVATION (And the issue of speed relative to other blades) Frequency on bounce test: 1331hz For reference, I get the following values on other blades:
On bounce test, this places it in the range of classic Off- (some would say off-/Off) 5 and 7 ply constructions. Among my blades - so from my own tests, with the same equipment - that’s very close to the sanwei fextra. (Clipper style.) Slightly above, and and slightly under my two Xiom Offensive S. (There is a broad range among these; based on my observations of similar blades, it seems like the faster 5 ply limba/ayous constructions often have a spread of as much as 100 hz to 200 hz for a same blade model.). It’s slightly below my off-/off thin carbon outer BBC Flashdrive. It’s also about 200hz above the Stiga Allround Evo, and 200hz below the Donic OTC. From tests run by others (www.ttbla.de), 1331hz is very close to:
In other words, it’s a value very close to that of
This style of bounce test doesn’t give a very thorough picture of what’s going on, and has notorious flaws. But it’s generally thought to give helpful clues about what to expect about a blade’s speed, especially compared to other blades of a similar speed class, and roughly similar construction. (There are quirks comparing 1 ply wood blades and 5+2 wood/carbon. Likewise for defensive, spin reversal blades vs offense oriented blades. There are also some outliers. But in many cases there’s quite a bit of overlap in the speed of blades that have very close values on the bounce test.) I’m going into details about the bounce test to highlight the following: going through the above reviews, and based on my experience, it seems to me like other people quite consistently rate the blade’s speed in the territory of fast 5-7 ply wood blades (fast, but not the absolute fastest); and slower offensive carbon blades. Which is exactly what the bounce test suggests. Make of this what you will, but if you are looking for something significantly faster or slower than the blades I just listed, you should probably stay away from Arche. ***** Overall play impressions: I found the blade extremely easy to adjust to coming from Off-/Off blades, some with hard outer plies and carbon underneath (BBC Flashdrive), some all wood with softish outer plies (Xiom OFF S, Fextra, etc.) To me, the sweet spot feels wider than the classic 5 ply wood blades I’ve used, but not quite as wide as my outer layer carbon blades. But unlike some of the faster blades I have used, (Donic OTC especially, to a lesser extent BBC Flashdrive) the speed of the Arche never seems to cause issues with control. It also has great stability under pressure, and very predictable behavior at different speeds. (For me, the BH side seems a little bit better than the forehand on these points. But both are great.) IMO that’s a very, very nice spot for a blade. ****** Feel Vs Other Blades: Very vivid feel. I seem to get as much information on ball impact (location and depth) as with my most responsive 5 ply wood blades (Allround Evo and Offensive S). Much, much more than with my more muted feeling blades (Donic OTC and Fextra). Still more than my BBC Flashdrive, which is extremely vivid and responsive for a 5 + 2 blade. To get as good a feel as responsive 5 ply wood blades, but with a wider sweet spot is very impressive. To me, blades with soft feeling outer plies tend to grab the ball better than very crisp, hard feeling outer plies. But high grab, soft feeling outer ply blades can sometimes feel a bit cushy/pillowy to me: giving less information about contact depth and location than I prefer, and feeling like there is sometimes a looser connection between what I’m doing with my body, how the ball feels on the blade, and what the ball does upon leaving the blade. To me the high grab, but very crisp feel of Arche sits in a fantastic spot on this issue too. ****** Feel differences between the two sides. As many have pointed out, there is a noticeable difference in feel between the two sides. You can tell from the first shots you make with the blade. And having let others play with the blade, it doesn’t seem to take any special effort or skillset to notice. Feel-wise, it’s a lot like using two slightly different rubbers on each side of a symmetric blade. (In terms of behavior, I find the two sides of the Arche to be closer than many rubber combos people feel happy to use, while still being noticeably different.) To me the biggest feel difference between the two sides can be put in terms of ball grab and crispness. The FH side feels like it embraces the ball a bit more, so more grab, but it also feels a tiny bit more cushy. The BH side feels like it has a bit less grab, while being less cushy. To be honest, Mr. Moon’s description in the designer notes seems like the best way to describe the difference in feel to me: there is a bit more of a point feel to the way the bh grabs the ball, and a bit more of a plane feel to the way the fh grabs the ball. (Where the point gives a bit more info on location, but the plane embraces the ball a bit more.) However, both sides still grab the ball very well while having more than enough crispness. I tried flipping the blade around (I use the same rubber on both sides), but for my money it works best as designed. Unlike some other reviewers, I can’t say I would prefer the blade with either 2x ash sides, or 2x lati/wenge/mystery wood sides. I am sure I would still love those too, but the asymmetric design works great for me. Edited by ohwell - 04/19/2018 at 11:44am |
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Here's my review finally. Sorry for being so late with it but the past 8 weeks have been extremely busy for me.
I have now used the Arche for 3 weeks of practice, twice a week, so total play time probably around 12-14 hours. I have only used the Arche in practice sessions, not tournament play. Rubbers used for testing: Fastarc G1 max FH and BH as well as MX-P/MX-S. I would class the Arche as a OFF- or ALL+ blade (depending on the side). Appearance Very high quality finish and the typical Nexy feel. It's always a pleasure to hold a Nexy in your hand with the exception of the plastic diamond piece that they have embedded into the handle. I literally do not understand why Nexy would do such a thing. It makes the blade uncomfortable without using grip tape. The blade has a decent amount of flex for a 7 ply. Playing with the Arche I started the use the blade with two Fastarc G1, both max thickness. The feeling of the Arche is dependent on which side you use. The forehand side feels significantly harder and more springy than the backhand side. I would describe the feeling roughly between bouncing a ball on Koto vs Limba. In some respects, this blade reminded me of the Mizuno Fortius FT, also a 7 ply all-wood blade, because it does not necessarily feel like a 7 ply blade - it could pass as a 5 ply for me in terms of feel. In regards to speed, the Arche is a very controlled blade. Its significantly slower than what I usually play with and even the harder Forehand side is clearly in OFF- territory. This makes this blade very easy to play with close to the table and the short game is very precise. Pushes are easily controllable and you have a pretty easy time to place them well. If we take the Forehand side as 100%, I'd say the backhand side carries around 80% of it's speed. What I found difficult to adjust to are the two distinct feelings you get when hitting forehand and then backhand. I got more used to it eventually but it took longer than i expected. I had a hard time "trusting" the blade because i couldnt accurately predict what would happen. Looping: This blade is very good for looping if you are an average or even advanced player - who usually have a stronger forehand loop than backhand loop. For those players, the forehand side provides them with a good level of directness, lower throw and good spin generation and the backhand side provides great amounts of spin (high dwell) and a higher throw for safety. The above however, can also become a little bit of an issue if you are blocking high spin/power shots with your backhand a lot since you will constantly need to readjust blade angle between forehand and backhand when blocking. As you will have guessed by now, this blade does not suit my personal play style very well. However that doesn't mean its a bad blade. I think for newer and intermediate players or those that are still developing their technique, the Arche can be a great blade. I think it's also a great blade if you aren't sensitive to throw angles and you are looping a lot and your weak stroke is the backhand top spin. I've rarely played a blade that made the BH top spin so easy to play and control. If you are used to the power of composite blades, I think the Arche will likely be too slow and when your game involves a lot of hitting and smashing, the Arche is likely too flexible for great results in that area. As always, it depends on the player and what you want out of a blade. The Nexy Arche is fine craftsmanship that offers great control and an interesting ply combination for people who struggle with their BH and like to play a variable offensive game that where top-spin is the primary attack stroke. |
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I've been playing with the Arche for the last couple weeks. First impressions were that the blade has a very high quality finish. I wasn't the first person to test the blade and the previous glueing had no effect on the finish and there were no signs whatsoever of any splintering.
Unfortunately, personally I found the straight handle to be uncomfortably big/square but other testers seem to like it so I guess that's down to personal preference. I used Tibhar Mxp on both sides. Using the same rubbers on each side it was clear to see that there is a difference in dwell time and trajectory between each side of the blade. The slight extra dwell on the backhand side did prove particularly effective for flicking. I found the feeling from the blade to be pretty good, always felt like I had good control and a lot more safety in my shots, particularly on the FH side. Saying that I actually hoped the feeling would be better, the feeling wasn't as good as some of the recent all wood blades I've tried (like the Cornilleau Simon Gauzy Quest Off) or even some of the innerforce carbon blades (like the Butterfly Liu Shiwen), although I appreciate this can be personal preference. The blade excelled at backhand flick and blocking. The feeling and speed of the blade really suited these shoots, especially when taking the ball a little bit early. For attacking shots the forehand side gives a really nice arc when looping. The issue when attacking with this blade is the speed, it's not a fast blade. The power delivery is very linear but maxes out very quickly. To be honest for an offensive attacking game it's too slow unless you play right at the table/take the ball very early. Once you get any distance from the table you lose the ability to play winning shots. Overall, I think its a pretty good blade, the craftsmanship is fantastic, the playing characteristics are most suited to controlled attack or a more passive style. However, taking the price point into consideration I actually think there is better out there or blades with similar playing characteristics for much cheaper.
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First of all, I would like to thank Nexy for giving me an opportunity to test Arche, and for providing it to me for free. Also, my apologies for taking so long to write a review - I don't want to give excuses, because they would be lame, or I'd have to lie :^) Background on me: I’m a “decent-level” all-round two-wing attacking player (slightly
biased towards backhand), who relies mostly on ball placement and spin
variation, rather than on power or heavy spin to win points. Since December 2017, my primary
blade is Xiom Vega Euro, and I have Nexy Oscar as a backup blade (perhaps because my dog's name is Oscar, LOL). Prior to switching to Vega Euro, I played with Nexy Calix
II for almost two years, until I broke it last fall. My primary BH rubber for the past two years has
been Nexy Karis M. I’ve been experimenting a little bit with FH rubbers –
currently using Tibhar Aurus Prime. Specs and general
characteristics: Flared handle, 82 grams, 7-ply (outer ply on FH and BH are different) Speed: OFF-/OFF Flex: Average – Even though it’s a 7-ply blade, it’s
relatively thin, so it has more flex than many prototypical 7-ply blades, e.g. Stiga
Clipper Superficial
impression: The blade looks nice to me, but I won’t elaborate on the
look, since it’s very subjective and anyone can see it in the picture, or on the
packaging, as it doesn’t matter to me that much, and it’s irrelevant to how the blade plays. The blade appears to be very well made, as is the case with all the Nexy
blades I’ve had direct contact with. FL handle is very comfortable, probably the most comfortable
FL handle I’ve ever used out of the box, which is helped by the fact that the
wigs are slightly rounded and don’t have sharp edges. Please note that I prefer above average thickness
of handles, so people who like very thin handles might not like it as much as I
do. Playing impressions: I used the blade for several practice sessions with, and in practice
matches against, players in 2000-2350 USATT range. Using Arche didn't noticeably improve or worsen my game and practice performance. The feeling of BH and FH side is distinctly different, even with the same rubber on both sides. FH feels
harder, faster, and has more rebound, especially on harder shots. BH feels softer and more absorbing, but still
plenty fast for most players, IMO. To
me, the overall feel of the blade was more like a 5-ply (on a harder side)
all-wood blade, or a thin carbon/composite blade (e.g. Calix II), than a
typical 7-ply blade I’ve used in the past (e.g. Clipper, Kong Linghui Euro) Stroke adjustments were easy for me, as the blade gave me
great feedback and “feel” of the ball. Short game - Very
predictable - easy to push, drop or flick.
BH banana flick was especially easy, perhaps because it’s a light blade
with decent flex. Spin generation – Very easy on both sides, but especially on
BH, since ball appears to “stick” to the blade a little longer. Slower spinny shots close to the table were
especially easy, as was mid-distance looping. Faster/harder loops obviously required much
more effort (body rotation and weight transfer), since this blade isn’t designed to be a power/speed
monster. Blocking – FH block was slightly easier for me, probably
because of the harder surface. BH
required more active blocking with some more forward motion, but once executed
well it was very consistent and allowed for accurate placement, as the ball sits on the blade a little longer due to softer surface. Power game – Looping away from the table and smashing are more
than adequate for most players (assuming at least some body rotation and weight transfer), but these are not the key attributes of this
blade, plus it’s a relatively light blade, so it's more suitable for mid-distance and at the table game.
If you are spending most of the time ripping the ball, it’s probably not
a blade for you. Control – Since it’s a moderately fast and predictable blade
with very good feedback, most players will find it very controllable - perhaps
except “short-pips hitters”. I observed
that I was able to noticeably extend the length of my rallies when using Arche. Overall, I think that it’s a very nice blade that could be appreciated by a wide variety of offensive and all-round players at all skill levels, except those who have strong preference for very fast, powerful,
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It might just be me, but as far as feel goes, my experience has been the opposite. (I'm using 2x MX-S (1.9mm).) To me the dark (fh) side has the less defined, less pin-pointed feel for the contact point. I'd be glad to hear others' take on this point about feel. (I'm just referring to feel because I wouldn't say I get lower consistency/precision with either, although the higher arc of the dark/lati side doesn't work as well on bh for me - whereas I quite like the ash side on fh too.)
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The forehand side is definitely special. But am I the only one who also loves the backhand side? It has the kind of direct, vivid feel I appreciate from harder surfaces, but still has incredible ball grab, and feels very comfortable - never harsh or pingy. The "point" factor Mr. Moon talks about is a helpful metaphor for me: contact on the ash side is more like feeling something with the tip of a finger than with the palm. (I don't mean finger vs palm on the blade; I mean the way fingers feel so precise compared to the palm.) To me, the dark wood/forehand side strikes a different balance between vivid feel and ball grab - this time more on the side of grab. But the feel is less precise - it's a bit more like a palm. I love it on the forehand. But I'm not sure I like it as much on the backhand. If I had to only pick one surface wood for both sides it would probably be ash for me. But on the whole, ash side on bh + dark wood fh might remain the better option for me. This is a combi blade done right! _____________________ Question for other reviewers: do you find the the forehand side more/less linear than the backhand?
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Just got back from a business trip so my review was delayed quite a bit.
Finished gluing it up with my normal cpen rubber setup. FH: DHS Skyline BH: Yinhe Moon Will be testing it out later today.
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In the last 2 weeks I continued using Nexy Arche and also used it in competition games - with good success. Nevertheless I still did not find the perfect matching rubber for the backhand-side. Actually I am thinking about testing Fastarc C-1 on backhand. Fastarc G-1 is still perfect for the forehand-side.
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Thank you to Nexy for the opportunity to evaluate the Arche blade and Arg0 for organizing this test. I apologize for the tardiness of this review. Background: I am 41 yr old with a spin-offensive FH style who uses short pips in my BH. My USATT rating at the time of testing was 2180. Introduction: According to Nexy’s marketing material, which can be found here (http://nexyttstore.com/blade/534-arche.html) and includes high-quality images of the blade, the 7-ply Arche is described as a more powerful version of the Kim Jung Hoon blade, which is sold under the Tibhar brand name. The Nexy Arche is unusual in the sense that it is a combination blade, i.e., it has a asymmetric veneer composition. The FH side has been optimized for “power and drag” producing a long trajectory with a high arc, whereas the BH side has been optimized for “technique and control”. Unboxing: https://youtu.be/qs4BjMAMsZ4 The blade comes in Nexy’s standard black box which has red, green and white secondary colors. The packaging is simple, elegant and does a fully adequate job at protecting the blade. On one hand, the blade has a rustic ‘woody’ look to it due to the nature of the surface plies, whereas the handle - with its dark grey primary color and red and white secondary colors, silver tag on the FH side and bottom of the handle, and Nexy’s signature ‘jewel’ - gives it a more modern look. The styles mesh well together in my opinion. The brown surface wood on the FH side of the Arche appears to be of the same type that was used for Nexy’s Rubicon blade (which has been suggested to be Lati), whereas the white surface wood on the BH side looks like white ash. The ‘lati’ ply looks fragile with visible irregular channels in the vertical direction, while the BH top ply has longer and more uniform channels. Nonetheless, the playing surfaces feel smooth and the build quality of the Nexy Arche appears to be very good. The FL handle rested comfortably in my relatively large hands, but is not nearly as embracing as Rubicon’s wide straight (WST) grip . The wings have been slightly sanded for comfort. The Nexy Arche is a 7-ply all-wood which is a blade type that I have used and tested extensively in recent months. Unfortunately, Nexy does not provide information about the composition of the individual plies, but if I were to guess I would say that the medium-thick core is burnt kiri, which is followed by thin ayous and/or limba layers, and very thin surface plies (lati and white ash for FH and BH, respectively). The Arche has a head size of 157 x 150 mm and thickness of 5.9 mm. My specimen weighed 85 g. Bouncing a ball on either side of the naked blade produced a pitch that is lower than that of a Tibhar Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition, but higher than that of a DHS Hurricane Long 3 (1378, 1356 and 1324 Hz, respectively). Testing procedure: I started out by sealing the Nexy Arche with two thin layers of Joola’s Blade Sealing Varnish (https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=j-sealing-varnish) as I was concerned about potential splintering (I did not experience any splintering when peeling rubbers off subsequently). I attached well-used sheets of commercial DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (2.15 mm, black) and Spinlord Waran II (2.0 mm, red) short pips on the FH and BH side, respectively, using the Revolution 3 normal viscosity glue. I evaluated the set-up over ~2 sessions, playing a mix of simple drills and matches against my regular practice partners using the DHS 3* 40+ plastic balls. I also evaluated the ‘reverse setup’ in which the H3 Neo was placed on the (white) BH side and the Waran II was on the (brown) FH side around for a session. Playing impressions: I started with the regular setup, i.e., H3N on the brown side and the Waran II short pips on the white side. FH drives feel crisp, even with the H3N, which normally does not promote this type of feeling. Harder FH drives produce the type of cracking sensation that is consider typical of a burnt kiri core. Contrary to the marketing material (i.e., “drag”), I would characterize the dwell time on the FH side as no more than average. The blade is relatively fast (OFF/OFF- interphase) and the ball pings off relatively quickly. The feeling on BH drives was softer and dwellier, producing a rather long trajectory, which are characteristics that do not fit too well with short pips. FH looping against blocks produces a well-defined contact point, which helped me adjust the bat angle for improved consistency. For the same reason, I also found it easy to FH loop against heavy backspin. The ball has sufficient clearance over the net and a good amount of spin is produced. FH blocking is pleasant again because the contact point is felt clearly. Having played with thicker 7-ply all-wood blades in the recent months, however, it is evident that the Arche is thinner and less capable of fully absorbing incoming energy, especially on BH blocks. Given this, and the soft feeling of the surface veneer, I had difficulties producing consistent BH blocks against very high-quality loops. FH flat hits are delightful to play and rather fast, whereas the characteristics of the BH side lend themselves more towards looping than smashing. Both sides work well in the short game, on serve receives, and for serving. Nothing unusual in either direction. The reverse setup, i.e., with H3N on the white side and the Waran II short pips on the brown side, produced results that are consistent with (but inverse relative to) my observations with the normal setup. That is, the contact point when using the H3N is softer and less well-defined, resulting in longer trajectories and slightly higher spin levels when looping. However, I prefer clearly define contact points and my consistency decreases whenever that is not the case. BH drives, flat hits and blocks, on the other hand, felt crisp and allowed for precise placement of the ball. Hands down, I prefer the brown side of the Arche for the direct sensation that it provides and I would have loved to try out the corresponding blade with symmetric veneer composition. My guess is such a blade would feel quite similar to one of the blades from Andro’s old Temper Tech series – probably the OFF with Walnut outers – which has been a recurring favorite of mine. So, who would enjoy this blade? I think pronounced two-winged loopers using Tenergy or ESN rubbers would enjoy it in reverse orientation (brown in FH, white in FH) as the FH side provides power and precise contact, whereas the softer feeling and longer trajectory of the white side might off-set the lower power levels that normally can be imparted on BH shots. In addition, those players who like white ash outer plies on the FH side (Nittaku Violin; ITC Premier XF/XR) and who uses lower throw rubbers or even short pips in BH, will also like this rubber. The Nexy Arche, being a Hurricane FH and short pips BH player, simply does not suit me. |
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I apologize for the tardiness of my review. Work has been exceptionally busy, and the regional tournament schedule has rendered testing somewhat challenging. This week, I got (yet another) injury. The Arche is next on my testing schedule. |
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Magic_M
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Its time to post a first review now.
In the last three weeks I tested the Arche with three different rubbers: Nexy Karis M, Victas V>15 Extra and Nittaku Fastarc G1, always with identical rubbers on fh and bh, although I normally prefer different rubbers on both sides because my strategy is different on both sides. With my forehand I try to open the game from backspin of my opponent as soon as possible (with a longer arm motion) and then I try to win the point with a harder topspin. On backhand I try to open the game with my wrist and then (in the open game) I try to win the point with block, smash and good ball placement. Therefore I prefer a flatter arc on backhand while I need a higher arc on my forehand, because this seems to be one of my biggest problems when I try to loop from backspin. As Nexy Arche has different outer veneers on forehand and backhand I wanted to know, if there is really a difference between the feeling of both sides, because I have tested some "combination-blades" before and most of them were only named as combi-blades, but the feeling was (more or less) the same. In my first test with Karis M the feeling was really good on both sides, but something was missing. For example I like Karis M on my Viscaria and I use it since a longer time on backhand. But on Arche it was not the same pleasure to play with. Nevertheless I noticed that there IS a difference between forehand and backhand. The arc is much higher on forehand with this mystic wood. I remembered that I tested the Victas V>15 Extra some weeks before on my Viscaria and found it too fast on this blade. Therefore I thought, this could be a good option on the Arche. So I glued it on both sides (2,0 mm) and this was a good step up from Karis, especially on the forehand side. Looping was extremely easy, especially from 1-2m behind the table. In the passive game this combination was still a bit too fast. On the backhand-side I had tons of power with V>15 Extra, but for competition I would prefer a thinner version of this rubber or a slower rubber. To sum up, V>15 Extra fits to the Arche, but I would recommend it for players who mostly play from mid-distance and not near the table. In the last two weeks I exclusively tested the Arche with Nittaku Fastarc G1 on both sides (and 2,0 mm) and liked this combination from the first moment on. After only one training-session I decided to use it in our next competition game - with success. Like I wrote before, I usually play with more spin insensitive rubbers on my backhand, but due to the low catapult-effect of G1 and due to the low arc of the Arche backhand side (white ash) I can easily manage to return the opponents attacks. It is only necessary to play the block a little bit active, to place the block in the right way. If you block completely passiv, G1 would be the wrong rubber for you. It also seems to be very hard for the opponent to open the game if I play with heavy backspin with the G1. The next positive thing is, that it is easier to me to open the game from underpin because of the grip of G1. The only thing, that is missing, is a bit more power on hard smashes with my backhand, but that's ok for me in the moment. For players who are usually playing from mid-distance, G1 would not be the right rubber (and Arche not the right blade), but for me it is a really good choice. I am astonished, but happy with this. Let us talk about the forehand-side now. I don't know, which kind of wood is used on this side. Andy smith voted for Lati, a kind of "white wenge". Maybe he is right, but it does not matter for me. More important is the fact, that I really like the forehand, because I have a direct feeling and the arc is high enough for me to make it easy to loop from the opponents backspin. I have tested several Nexy blades before (Lissom, Arirang, Calix, Color, Kanaph, Olam, Oscar, Peterpan, Zealot and Rubicon, Tibhar Inca and Kim Jung Hoon) and this is definitely the Nexy blade, that fits best to me and my game. Thanks a lot to Nexy for developing and introducing this wonderful blade. My only wish and recommendation to Nexy is, to produce their blades without this crystal in the handle. because 1) it looks cheap, 2) it really bothers during the game and 3) it is not easy to remove or sand it without destroying the beautiful handle. To all testers, who don't like the Arche, because it is too slow or the feeling is not right for you: please contact me. Maybe you like one of my other blades and we can manage a trade. I would be happy with another Arche for additional rubber-tests.
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Hi everyone, Very short backhand video with Nexy ARCHE blade. my backhand short pimple Flarestorm II.. I'll add full review comments soon..Thank you |
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It's a really good blade for what it is, actually this blade I would prefer if I could generate more power and/or didn't have to put as much pressure on opponents, great feeling
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Finally glued on an MX-S and MX-P today. I'll be testing this over the next two weeks and then report in
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You're right, I do love the handle on Arche. As a matter of fact, this is the most comfortable handle I've used in a long while.
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I think for you the handle will be closer to what you prefer given your preference for thick handles. This handle is definitely thicker than the usual Nexy handles and I wish my Calix 2 had a similar handle. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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It's interesting (I'm not surprised) you're planning to go back and fourth between Arche and Calix 2 ... I've observed meaningful similarities in how the two blades feel and play, especially the FH side. |
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I wish both sides were the Rubicon Veneer to be honest, but I like both sides. I use high dwell spinny rubbers so I need something that releases the ball really quickly.
The main thing for me is that the handle and balance of the blade fit my play perfectly. The demerit is the lack of a carbon/composite veneer that adds power when you go for it - on this I agree with SmackDat. My consistency with it is excellent though. I will likely go back and forth between it and my Calix 2 for a while. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd8hUWQC2Ik
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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For me it is the opposite: I LOVE the side with the "Rubicon outer veneer".
With Nittaku Faster G1 it is a "perfect match" for my forehand. T05 also fits very good. Actually I am testing some rubbers for the white ash side (backhand). Next week I will post a first review.
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I love the white ash side. The Arche is really good but i think the other side is a bit hard for me. Probably needs a softer rubber for the bh if you use the white ash side for your fh.
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