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Longer lasting higher performance rubbers? |
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richrf
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Rich has an excellent game which matches perfectly with his own laid back demeanor. Very nice guy who developed a style that suits him well. I know many players in my club who use ESN rubbers for long periods of time. They like it as it wears in. None that I've come across that are suitable for me which is why I asked, the closest being G1. |
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Baal
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It needs to be on a composite IMHO. |
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richrf
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This is a good point. When I purchase golf clubs or a new tennis racket, there were different ways to try before buy, but I rarely changed because there was no reason to. Equipment was built to last. |
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richrf
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Thanks Baal. I thought so but wanted to hear your opinion. |
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Purett
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even rich dewitt changes his rubber every 9-12 moths
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richrf
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Possibly, but that is not what he told me the last time we talked a couple of years ago. Maybe it's like pro's equipment - top secret. ☺ |
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richrf
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Thanks fatt. I'll look into it. |
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richrf
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Hi Baal, I decided to try out to sheets of Nexy Karis. My choice of blades it's either the Rossi Emotion or Donic True Carbon. I believe you have tried out both. Any comparison that you can provide? Thanks. |
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richrf
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NextLevel
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Most people changing equipment in a sport change it due to wear and tear and loss, or due to different playing conditions, not because they are doing so on a whim. My point is that the idea that people change equipment in some ridiculous way in table tennis that is different from other sports is silly. In table tennis, there are also ways to get data that are reasonably similar to golf. The thing is that these things are not doing to define your game as much as your practice and play with equipment for a long time will given the complexity of table tennis. Unfortunately, it takes people forever to accept this, and then some people get frustrated with their lack of improvement and do everything to talk around except put in the hours at the table.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Baal
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Never tried the Rossi Emotion. Ask Next Level I think he has tried that one. I have only played Karis M with my Viscaria but DTC is a very similar blade. Karis needs a reasonably fast OFF class blade IMHO. Karis will make the blade very controllable while still allowing for big power when needed. But even then it will let you know when your stroke is lazy. |
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al_111
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Calibra is pretty low throw, isn't it? If so, coming from Calibra, forget what I've said about Baracuda & T05 - there could be too much of an adjustment. If Karis does not work and you want to try Tenergy, you can probably go with T64.
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NextLevel
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Rossi Emotion is slower than the True Carbon. More ALL+/OFF- and lower ranges of OFF when the carbon kicks in. You need to lift weights if you play that with Karis unless you are really trying to keep the ball short.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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richrf
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@Baal Thanks. RE will probably not provide enough juice so I'll go with an outer.
@al_111 Thanks for he the additional advice. Calibra is low throw, but I find that I can adjust to Tenergy without much problems. |
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richrf
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Thanks for the advice. It looks like I'll need an outer composite. Appreciate it. |
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bbkon
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what do you recomend for somebody who needs a rubber to last spinny soft not fast. I m afraid that most stores sell old batch mark v |
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mts388
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[/QUOTE] Most people changing equipment in a sport change it due to wear and tear and loss, or due to different playing conditions, not because they are doing so on a whim. My point is that the idea that people change equipment in some ridiculous way in table tennis that is different from other sports is silly. In table tennis, there are also ways to get data that are reasonably similar to golf. The thing is that these things are not doing to define your game as much as your practice and play with equipment for a long time will given the complexity of table tennis. Unfortunately, it takes people forever to accept this, and then some people get frustrated with their lack of improvement and do everything to talk around except put in the hours at the table. [/QUOTE]Well said NL. Unfortunately many players find it easier and quicker to change equipment than to put in the extra hours on the table. With so many different equipment combos they never run out of things to try. |
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richrf
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Can I ask how often you change your rubber? |
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icontek
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on a serious note, I'm curious to see how the original Andro Rasant holds up. I have a sheet with > 50 hours of use on it and it plays remarkably well. Hope it's similar at the 100 hour mark.
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stancuzi
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Not very likely. After 70-80 hours the ball starts to slip pretty much like every other euro rubber.
Cheers, Stan |
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1dennistt
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I'm definitely a mid level player, using the Seemiller grip, so take this for what it's worth. If I'm playing tournaments or getting ready for tournaments, I probably change rubber after 2 months or so. If not I can stretch it to 3 months (approx. 100 hours) for club play before I begin to miss the play of new rubber enough to change. I keep older sheets around for backup blades (like for coaching or as loaners) that I also carry to the club. After they retire from that, they are pretty much finished.
Right now, there is nothing coming up, so I'm experimenting with other rubber I've purchased. If nothing else this serves to remind me why I'm using my current equipment. I always keep my standard setup handy in case I'm having a particularly tough time with something experimental on my blade.
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Donic Waldner World Champion 1989 ZLC (Inner), Donic BlueStorm Pro (Red) Max, ????? (Black) 1.8 mm)
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koshkin
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That was not my experience. I bought six sheets, two of each hardness. Five of them became fast anti within three months of play. That's less than a month for each rubber sheet. The topsheet loses grip rapidly and red seems to have about 60% of the duration of the black. ILya
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NextLevel
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Your experience is personal, I had someone use a sheet for almost a year. I find that Karis also responds well to Revolution Rubber Rejuvenator so you can basically use that on it whenever you feel the initial tack is gone and get some more life out of the the rubber. The one thing is that Karis is not a heavy spin rubber in the first place but the difference in performance over its life was negligible for me. I suspect for your technique, it lost its initial tack early. But that initial tack is not what people rely on to loop and in any case if you care about that then use the Rejuvenator. Edited by NextLevel - 11/24/2017 at 1:33am |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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el luchador
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from a science perspective,
rubbers lose oil as they age. I know from first hand experience you can rejuvenate a non tacky rubber to almost new condition by adding back oils to the sponge. matter of fact it may play better than new for a week or two. this will not do anything for the topsheet though
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chop4ever
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That is actually how my Reviver works. Thanks FATT to mention me here. I vote for Sriver EL on carbon blade. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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richrf
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I was thinking that Sriver EL would not give me the + performance over Calibra LT that I was looking for. Do you agree? Right now I am considering LT Sound or Spin, but I don't think they will perform better than LT(maybe slightly better spin), once the initial 100 hrs has passed. Unfortunately I had to give up on Nexy. Nexy needs to revisit their U.S. distributorship. It's actually quite tough doing better than LT, but what keeps me trying it's that I know for sure I need a bump up in spin. Tenergy is obvious, only thing is that I don't like the feeling of isolation between the ball, blade and me. So I can't get myself to pull the trigger. Spin it's great though! Edited by richrf - 11/24/2017 at 12:07pm |
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el luchador
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Ive found a little bit of household wd40 to work great for adding back oils into a sponge. too much and the rubber gets boosted but a little and it gets rejuvenated.
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al_111
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richrf
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Certainly a good idea. Something to mull over. At the club, I've only tried max since that is all that cZi could find. |
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