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Andro Hexer Grip and Powergrip |
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bozbrisvegas
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I am struggling with that non-linearity grey area with MX-s a little, but a lot with MX-P. You express it perfectly. The only 'technique issue' is not power looping with a fully complete stroke/depth into the sponge shot. That is where the catapult is welcome... there are so many other basic just tap the ball to a corner for position shots where it is not. And the surprise of it kicking long OUCH.
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ThePongProfessor
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Excellent analysis. I completely agree.
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DLC1325
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Hexer Grip was way easier to control for me, felt more solid, but I could never get along with Baracuda probably because of that high throw. Hexer Powergrip is harder than Baracuda.
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Dream1700
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Do these behave similarly: Baracuda (and softer Baracuda Big Slam) vs Hexer PowerGrip ( and softer Hexer Grip)
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DLC1325
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I've been using Hexer Powergrip and Hexer Grip on a few different blades of varying hardnesses and flex. I quickly gave up on Grip because I struggle with anything softer than 47 degrees, though its spin capabilities are on par with Rasant Grip, an old favorite of mine. Hexer Grip throws a touch higher and felt less controlled than Rasant Grip for reference.
For me, MX-S has long been the top dog of ESN spin capabilities, but I think Powergrip might be the new king. Powergrip is one of the best non-tacky brushing rubbers I've ever used right up there with MX-S. The difference between the two is Powergrip is more Euro/Jap where MX-S is more like a non-tacky Chinese rubber. Its easier to get height with Powergrip and doesn't require as much pure brushing or quality positioning, though it still requires it. Powergrip is slower than MX-S, but has a similar crispy feel. As others have mentioned, Powergrip shines in service. Holy mother is that thing spin heavy. One of the higher level players at the club couldn't believe he couldn't get his receives over the net. While it is spinny on every blade I tried, it is incredible on hinoki.
I think my only gripe with Powergrip and Grip is this weird, random non-linearity -- in passive play sometimes the ball will just die and in active strokes sometimes the ball will launch further than expected, but only sometimes. Its not a linear slowing like I've experienced with Rakza X, MX-S, TG2 Neo, S3-60, etc. and it has occurred on all the blades I tested them on. Edit: Of course, this could just be a technique issue of mine. Edited by DLC1325 - 11/12/2019 at 1:59am |
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nv42
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G-1 definitely has a harder feel overall than the hexer grip and pg. G-1 is definitely a bit harder to use than both, but also more rewarding.
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trumpet_guy
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If G-1 plays a bit hard, then FastArc C-1 would be an alternative.
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DLC1325
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I'm interested as well. I played with G-1 once over a year ago, so by no means in depth, but if I recall G-1 has a higher throw, harder top and overall feel than Powergrip. I struggled brushing with G-1, but never fail with Powergrip.
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Dream1700
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Hexer Grip vs G-1?
Hexer PowerGrip vs G-1?
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Dream1700
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have you found anything lighter?
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kruno
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Cant agree more. Just cut and glued it yesterday, topsheet very grippy and soft.
Very good for looping, kinda slow (i used on off- blade, victas fire fall fc), same speed as my old vega pro (max). very high throw.
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SmackDAT
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I'm selling powergrip is anyone is interested
Topsheet is very soft
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TSuBaSa
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I'm using Andro hexer grip ( 45degree) on both Xiom feel ax and Yasaka Extra.
Its very similar to Victas v15 stiff. Topsheet is firm, very very grippy, very very durable and not that bouncy. Sometimes it feels like non tacky a Dhs h3 topsheet with a euro sponge. Its fast but not tenergy, mxp, bluestrom kind of fast. Very spinny ( tenergy kind of spinny). To me the only down side is throw angle is a bit too low and its not that bouncy so its not that easy to play away from the table. I had to adjust my bat angle a lot! My previous rubber was t80 fx and its throw angle is higher than hexer grip. Maybe thick but soft allwood blades or balsa+carbon blades would solve that throw angle issue. Still great rubber. I have to say again that rubber is durable! Better than tenergy for sure...
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Mickael
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i glued 2 powergrip 2.1 and it added 102 grams! i thought it was like rasanter in weight but it isn't. playing with was a dream wonderful spin and feel the best i have tried so far but the weight is bothering me . donno if it exists another brand with the same characteristics but lighter.
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Tajny1989
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carmelomaf
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Actually I decide to sell all my Golden Tango PS and play regular h3 neo
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Tibhar MX-P 50 Max| BTY Boll ALC FL | Tibhar MX-S Max
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Fedex78
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Great, thanks. I like your setup, I'm fascinated by hybrids rubbers like golden tango.
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carmelomaf
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I don't think
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Tibhar MX-P 50 Max| BTY Boll ALC FL | Tibhar MX-S Max
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Fedex78
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Thanks Carmelo, I use currently Nexxus EL PRO 43 2.1mm on backhand. I've already ordered a new sheet of Hexer Grip 2.1mm, unfortunately didn't see your post before ordering...hope I don't loose too much power respect the Nexxus
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carmelomaf
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If you like medium rubber on the bh is a very good rubber
For me was too soft, a lot of control and spin but not so much power I'm selling now a new one |
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Tibhar MX-P 50 Max| BTY Boll ALC FL | Tibhar MX-S Max
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Fedex78
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Anyone is using the new Hexers? I'd like some reviews, I'm mostly interested in the Hexer Grip for backhand.
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guruzz
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Tank you good review i have buy the hexer Powergrip and for my is very good rubber not ti Mamy speed Byt is verter for many top in the table is netterà for one o la 5 point!!
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jmaster
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Very good review, ondras.horak and DarkerMyLove!.
Edited by jmaster - 10/06/2018 at 1:38am |
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DarkerMyLove
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I use BBC Nine (custom blade from Charlie in california), 9 ply, hinoki woods and 4 nano carbon layers. Softer outer woods but not really that stiff. Good control and slow for touch shots and blocking, but looping will has extra speed. So perhaps with the speed of the carbon blade the Hexer PG doesn't seem too slow. But I definitely would agree that this rubber is not for Speed I have not hit Hexer with my blade in a long time. My coworker here has Hexer (my old rubber..haha) but I haven't had a chance to hit with it. Obviously it's also on a different type blade than mine. But to be honest, I'm not a grade "A" equipment junkie so I might not be the best to judge and make these comparisons. To me, with finger push test, Hexer PG feels firmer when pushing into the topsheet and sponge than Hexer. Also I feel i can push further down with the Hexer sponge. But it's not a huge difference. Hexer PG is certainly not as hard or as fast as Rasant PowerGrip. In my opinion the feeling of this rubber reminds me of Rasant Grip but with more dwell time...which could account for the increase in spin but also make it not as speedy. In the past, when I was looking at Hexer and Rakza 7 sponge hardness online I did notice that Hexer was "harder" than Rakza 7 on 'paper'. But for my feeling, Rakza 7 feels more firm. Hexer always felt 'off' for me. It always felt a bit mushy and too slow and bottomed out even more easily than Rakza 7. Aside from using a natural rubber for the topsheet I don't really see or feel the "relationship" to the original Hexer. But this is just personal opinion. Like you said, you didn't like Rakza 7--> maybe I'm just used to Rakza 7. It could be blade differences too or the types of strokes...i have no idea. Different strokes for different folks. Hopefully some people that have greater knowledge about Hexer might give this new Powergrip a try and compare. To me this is a faster and much more spinny rubber than Hexer / Rakza 7 and slightly harder. I think it would be an easy transition for those coming from those 'older' generation rubbers that don't like super fast speed or 50 degree sponge.
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ericd937
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Can someone please compare Hexer Powergrip to Gewo Nexxus El Pro 48? Thank you!
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DarkerMyLove
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My bad...only 1.9mm and 2.1mm. Shop closed early last night. I might pick one up this weekend. I flipped my blade and just played around with Hexer PG 2.1mm on my backhand for about 30mins. But really only just for some looping and blocking. Definitely much more spin with loops. Punch shots felt off though. I'll give 1.9mm a try on my backhand.
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GSOM_GSOM11
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What blade did U use with it? Is it really significantly harder than Hexer? Both have 47.5 sponge (Rakza7 is 45 and I don't like it). Edited by GSOM_GSOM11 - 09/27/2018 at 9:20am |
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GabrielTopspin
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for me the hexer powergrip was a little bit to slow, maybe on a faster blade it can unleash its potential, what i found very good it don't shrinks when i want to reglue it,this is a big big plus, and many would love this :DD
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its not exist in 2.0 Edited by piligrim - 09/27/2018 at 7:11am |
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DarkerMyLove
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Played with Hexer PG 2.1mm about 5 hrs over 3 days with training and really enjoyed it. The most spin (and easy access to that spin) that I have ever played with. (i have never played with mx-p or tenergy or rasanter 47 as a reference) Past rubbers I played with on this blade is Nittaku G1, Hexer, Rakza 7, Rasanter r50, and several China rubbers like H3.
I'm coming from Rakza 7 and did play with original Hexer before. I think that Hexer PG is harder than both of them. Looking at my friend's paddle it is much easier to push down farther on the old Hexer sponge. Hexer PG seems much firmer. Throw angle I feel is 'medium'. Definitely not low throw like the old Rasant Powergrip. With warm-ups it has a firm and plush feel. Much better feel that Hexer for my taste. I think I never truly liked the Hexer sponge experience. This sponge is really sweet. This rubber is primed for spin even while warming up. Close-to-table faster loops the spin just never lets you down. Maybe it's just a spinny(er) cousin of Rakza 7 but there is lots of dwell/control feeling there. Stepping back for loops against block is were the magic starts to happen. Again, I have not played Tenergy 05 but this is one spinny rubber. A more traditional stroke that engages the full sponge you will get high arcs and a 'kick'. Now if you want to close the face and do more Timo Boll style looping the arc flattens a bit but the speed is cranked up a lot. It has a very grippy topsheet. I feel more grip that org. hexer and rakza7. It is much faster than Hexer but only a little faster than Rakza 7. using Revspin.net model if R7 is 9.1 speed than Hexer PG should be around 9.2-9.3. Going back to spin potential...it's massive. The one issue I had with Rakza 7 is playing away from the table with counter looping. It might be bottoming out so that I never could generate enough spin against heavy looping hitters that high speeds. Margin for error was too low. With Hexer PG, the spin and control is great and you can just hit through the ball and get that great arc that keeps the ball on the table. If Rakza 7 is 9.3 spin then I think Hexer PG is at least 9.5. Again this is not a speed demon rubber, my guess is those used to Mxp or T05 or perhaps Rasanter r47 will feel it is much too slow. For my taste I'll take this extra spin. Don't get me wrong...you can close the angle a bit can crush through balls. I guess I like that you can do both depending on your style or just the situation. It's a linear rubber that is not too bouncy...very good for short serves and pushing. Not a rubber made for "FH drives" because its 'begging' to be spun. But that is an easy adjustment to make. it's a looper's rubber for sure, but there is lots of "touch" and feel to the rubber. The only adjustment needed was looping against heavy fast backspin. I feel i need to generate just a touch more arm speed. Probably due to it being slightly harder sponge. My feeling is that I need to engage the rubber more and just let the spin do the work. it needs more time to play around with height and depth for looping against underspin. overall, this is a very controllable and easy to use rubber. Blocking against hard spinnny loops is very easy. Just a real plush and nice rubber. I'm going to try out 2.0mm on my BH to see if that is a good fit as well. |
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