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what do you picture as you execute your strokes ? |
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PythonMonty
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Spin to speed ratio is my favorite candidate for the mythical non-spin non-speed component of power. A ball with a low spin to speed ratio can have surprisingly little energy, as I'm reminded every time I dump a fast long dead ball serve into the net. And high spin to speed ratio shots can be a lot more powerful than they seem which is why blocking for higher level players than you're used to playing can be so tricky. I'd guess FZD's shots are heavier than Harimoto's because of mostly invisible extra spin.
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Tt Gold
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Since physic are getting addressed here, I'd like to ask a question. The ball loses a lot of spin and speed on its way to the opponent, especially with the plastic ball. Lets just say there are two topspins. Both have the same speed, but one has way more spin. How does the spin influence the loss of speed and spin to the other side of the table? if you put more spin on the ball, does it slow the ball down even more in the air or less? Of course power is the wrong word from a scientifically standpoint. But then a lot of things that were discussed on the forum over the years would also just be pseudoscience. And I'll say this again. When talking about table tennis the feelings have a big impact on how we perceive things. If we look at equipment for example. There might be tiny difference in blades or rubbers or woods, which would almost be irrelevant. Yet when talking about them we can really feel huge differences between them. The dwell from an allwood compared to an alc for example. There is slightly more dwell time on the allwood. But when playing with an allwood it almost feels like the ball is staying 1-2 seconds longer on the racket. |
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balldance
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the one with more topspin will be faster for sure. Topspin ball always "jumps" forward after bouncing on the table.
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Tt Gold
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@balldance
I might have worded my question wrong. I'm not asking which ball is faster when it bounces on the table. What I'm asking is how the spin influences the loss of speed and spin in the air. So if more spin has a positive or negative influence to the air resistance. |
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vanjr
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vanjr
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Sorry, Mark you never loop with the backhand!
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vanjr
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As bad as my back hand is, this may be my problem as well. |
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heavyspin
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I believe in linear and rotational energy as well. |
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heavyspin
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When my stroke falls apart on the forehand, it's usually due to too much arm vs body turn so I picture myself turning my torso. If I need extra enforcement I picture and hear Chubby Checker doing "The Twist."
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APW46
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Speed and spin, in varying quantities, If a player with 'more power' goes for spin and less pace, that is what he gets, if he goes for pace and spin, the same. Timo Boll. Visually you should think about where you intend to put the ball, but I think the op is talking about style.
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Tt Gold
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APW46
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Very true, but that added spin with pace gives your brain less time to work the bat angle out!
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Tt Gold
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And speed is only good at a certain pace. Who are we kidding? Of course speed at the pro level wins, but we are talking about normal table tennis. To win with speed you really need to play fast, like really fast. Also dealing with speed is easier imo. I can easily put my racked in front of the ball against a 2500 player, but once they loop with spin it's game over.
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Tt Gold
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It's not about winning. If speed works out for that's fine, but for most people speed won't work. There are so many positive aspects of playing with spin.
You automatically have more consistently, better placement and play more calmly. The risk your running into with speed is that you tense up in games, which will decrease the speed in your shot. You'll often only play the ball on the table without placement and since you always need to be in perfect position to play with speed your consistency will also drop. Of course I'm talking about the shots were both players still haven't taken full control over the point. Once your opponent is in a defensive position, most of the time it is better to kill than to play spin. |
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