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Ray
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OSP Virtuoso OSP Virtuoso+ Donic Waldner Senso V1 and V2 Donic Appelgren Allplay Donic Persson Powerallround Gewo Zoom Pro Off- and probably Andro Novacell Off have similar if not the same composition. Edited by Ray - 12/24/2019 at 2:11am |
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fmarek
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While classic blades are confirmed by many players (primorac, korbel, viscaria and etc), celero is not that popular. I totally like it, but my friend liked only handle and did not like the "feel".
Another friend liked outright and was playing pretty consistently given that it was not his racket. So whatever you are getting make sure that you calculate weight of final racket and then order blade to your desired weight.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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anongpong
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Thanks a lot for the heads up Doraemon. I need to go edit my "5 ply and why?!" thread now.
That's actually some great information fmarek. Sounds like a winner to me! I've noticed Celero getting some real attention online as well.
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fmarek
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Given that you are not confused enough, let me confuse you more with this fact -
you know how we all say that koto has a crisp feel while limba has soft feel. This is true. No, wait. This was true until Stiga came up with Celero blade. I played Viscaria (ZJK ALC) - koto and I played limba (primorac, fextra). Celero is limba, but it is thin and second layer under limba is "some hardened dried wood". So, guess what - it is crisp no less than koto, but unlike koto Celero has loooooooooooooooooong dwell time. Here you go, now you are confused. Welcome.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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doraemon
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Blades with similar composition (but different thickness) with Korbel are: Adidas Challenge Force (now under brand name ITC) Offensive S Joola K5 Stratus Powerwood and off course, Primorac Off- |
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doraemon
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No, Xiom Offensive S is limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba. I am certain of it. It has that distinct "sharper" feel compared to limba - ayous (3x) - limba blades, such as: Persson Powerallround (~6 mm) Allround Evolution (~6 mm) and Samsonov Premium Contact (~ 6mm). |
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anongpong
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I actually saw someone else point this out, which is why I wanted to ask around. Many people say it plays very much like the Korbel. Very interesting. Also, I think Stiga offensive classic is Limba-spruce-ayous but the stiga all around classic is limba- ayous-ayous. I guess thickness and maybe build quality are the real differentiators here.
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3 steps ahead
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I am surprised too see this composition as Offensive S is recommended as Korbel clone in numerous threads, this makes it more similar to Stiga Offensive Classic?
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Kontra
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Xiom Offensive S
Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba |
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anongpong
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Yes, I've heard great things about this one. Thank you friend. Do you know if this is limba, limba, ayous? or limba ayous ayous? "The database of table tennis blades composition" seems to say its limba ayous ayous just like the azalea all around. The forum consensus seems to be that it's limba, limba, ayous like the Korbel. Just curious.
Thank you Trumpet_guy. Seems like a great 5 ply blade. Limba, ayous ayous . That pink though. Where I'm from, I couldn't. Please don't judge me.
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trumpet_guy
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Then when you are ready for a faster blade, go to the Azalea Offensive.
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Kontra
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Xiom Offensive S
It's not far away from Korbel and it's 39.99$ :) Edited by Kontra - 12/19/2019 at 4:43pm |
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anongpong
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Hey fmarek! Thanks a lot for the consideration and offer. I really would like to try that blade. I'm just not comfortable buying unless it's in person or an actual online store. Sorry bout that, and sorry for the late reply! I'm still a bit up in the air on which blade(s) I should try. There's so many options and things to consider... like hardness,composition, thickness, flex, rubber combinations etc. etc.. I knew I wanted to be able to loop drive with cheaper chinese rubbers instead of just slower looping. I think I finally understand that I favor a more crisp feel (either from koto or harder outer ply), than a softer limba feeling blade. This is something I never even thought to consider before. I'm a bit of a slow learner at times. Thanks again.
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fmarek
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My Primorac can be yours. It is listed in Sale section on this forum for 35
Why bother with clones if you can get real one. Anyway there must be good clones out there too.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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anongpong
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Thanks for your replies! Unfortunately, around $40 is my max budget for an all wood blade(That's my fault for not clarifying earlier). I must find a Peter Korbel clone maybe? :)
Edited by anongpong - 12/15/2019 at 2:14am |
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fmarek
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In general I agree. For more control might consider thinner Primorac but it takes time to feel the difference.
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
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frogger
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Covering fifty years of tournament play I found the perfect blade for me. A BTY Peter Korbel does everything very well. I like the ST handle due to it's size. A great allround/offensive blade that can produce speed, spin, control with a variety of rubber types. An important aspect of the Korbel is that it has several gears for a myriad of shots. A true classic. Can't go wrong with it unless a player is a beginner. Korbel has excellent feedback and nice dwell to produce perfect loops. Thick enough to block well and even chops well away from table. Try it...you will thank me.
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anongpong
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Hey Cole. Thanks for the reply! Sorry, I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. Which two Swedish made globe blades are you referring to? Is it the Yinhe e-1 and e-3, or maybe something else? Thanks again!
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cole_ely
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I have the one that's the yellow violin copy. I think that's e3 I think you would like one of these two Swedish made globe blades or just anything Euro limba. Stiga off classic type.
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anongpong
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Thanks! Yah, it's not too easy to figure out what works best for me at this stage of my table tennis journey. You really are good at selling that "Persson" blade, though... even with humor. It's definitely on my list now.
Those OSP blades look fantastic. I'm sure they are worth the price, but it's just a little too pricey for me personally.
Thanks for the input. I haven't even heard of those blades. I'll definitely look into it.
Edited by anongpong - 12/07/2019 at 1:59pm |
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anongpong
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Hey Cole... Do you have any of the yinhe e-1 or e-3? I know in the past you said you have some blades available that aren't listed on your site. Or do you have have any insights into these blades? Compared to the w-6 or other wood blades you carry for instance? I'd love to hear your thoughts on any blade that will increase one's chances of landing loop drives... I get so tired of doing slower spinny and safe open ups. Thanks!
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cole_ely
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W6 blocks slow which is good but if you have the arm speed it will snap.
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ericd937
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Just my two cents. I saw some recommendations for W6. I tried that blade several years ago and I don't know how anyone could play with that blade. It captures all the incoming energy and has a really weird dead feel. It was one of my least favorite blades I've ever tried. If you want a really controlled blade, you could try something like Xiom Aigis or even one of the Donic Dotec blades. I played with Xiom Aigis when I was like 1200 to 1500 level. Its a good blade with tons of control and it isn't that slow. W6 was slower.
Edited by ericd937 - 12/07/2019 at 3:08am |
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Adelle looks very different from most blades, not just other 7-ply blades:
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OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max
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Maybe you should find out what your preferred stiffness and hardness is. I find this to be the most important thing in any blade, as for me it determines control. Too soft/stiff = too much bounce, too little power on hard shots Too hard/too flexy = too little bounce, extreme difference between soft and hard shots PP is rather hard and not so thick, so it does not have a lot of bounce (much less than other 7ply), but the high gear is just as fast due to more flex and higher hardness. Tweaking these parameters isn't easy, and varies from person to Persson (lol)
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Thank you. I'll keep it in mind if I see anyone use it, as I always try before I buy.
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anongpong
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Thanks everyone for your replies and considerations.
Thanks fmarek. I just feel more comfortable buying from the stores. I read good things about the Primorac and Korbel as well as the Acoustic and Violin. They're just a little pricey. So thanks again for your generous offer. It seems the general consensus is just to get a good,controlled 5 ply wood blade or the Persson Powerplay. Why do there have to be so many options? I wish I could try them all. So far.... What I've gathered is... That those in need of an affordable blade with more control for loop drives should get a MEO, W-6, Sweden classic, or Persson powerplay. Also, there's no real correlation between more control on loop drives and thinner, flexy blades. I'm kind of surprised to hear that thinner and flexy(like fuga or p500) = less sweet spot and not better for controlled driving. If anyone has anything to add, feel free as I'll be mulling this over for a bit and still testing my dj fly(which is actually very nice but maybe too powerful for my skill level). Thanks again!
Edited by anongpong - 12/06/2019 at 2:16pm |
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Maybe Nittaku Adelie, it looks like the old version of Clipper, with 6.2mm. However, I´ve never tested it.
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Can't agree more. Btw, if I ever want to sacrifice some control for a bit more speed, is there a similar blade you would recommend?
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