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johnny89atc
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Fred is playing very good, I think that he has great consistency!
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dabookerman
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When did you start Fred and what paddle did you start him with? I ask because my little man (2.5 yrs) loves to try and hit the ball to me. He can barely see over the table, but it is fun to watch his coordination grow by leaps and bounds.
That's a great way to spend time with your son. Make sure to keep it fun for him |
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JKC
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Fred started at about 2 with a Tube Alu with some old Pro XP that I had kicking around. We just played by by me throwing the ball to him in our kitchen and he hit it after it had bounced on the floor though. We didn't go near a table until he was nearly 4 1/2. He continued with that with bat for 3 months or so and then he played for about a year with the Galaxy Childrens blade with Inspirit that PPRob and AffordableTT kindly gave to him.
I think it is important not to give them something too slow at first as it is quite a big effort to swing the thing with pace anyway, but obviously the lighter the better. That is the reason he has had a T-2 until recently. Now he has grown a little stronger, he can handle something a little heavier though most of us would still say his current bat is very light.
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dabookerman
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I gave Jonathan an old, super-cheap pip out paddle. It feels like light plywood and probably weighs 50g max with the OX rubber attached. If he hits with another he then wants "his paddle".
I did not think about a blade being too slow; I will have to consider that when buying him one of his own. |
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JKC
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It's just my observations for the very young/small. There is some debate over what speed of bat younger players should use, but it seemed to work for Fred.
You could consider using a bat with just one rubber when he moves on to something more advanced, Fred did this for a while early on in his development to reduce weight.
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dabookerman
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It's definitely something to consider. Right now we are in the "let's make contact" phase.
When he tosses the ball and hits it at the table, the low angle and dead paddle makes for an awesome double bounce serve. I almost wish he was doing it intentionally so that he could teach me. |
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JKC
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Something else to consider is that Fred didn't actually serve himself for the first year or so of playing as his toss was very inconsistent. Your son might do better hitting balls which are thrown/hit by you as they will be of a better quality.
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dabookerman
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Believe me, I wholeheartedly agree. We're working on me tossing and him hitting, but he still wants and tries to grab a ball and hit at the table (especially when Dad's playing someone else).
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JKC
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You have to let them have their fun and do what they want from time to time. Better still get them to think that what you want to do was their idea in the first place. It's always a winner.
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APW46
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I just think that Fred really is unique.
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JKC
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The big question is, how do you keep him unique?
I'd love you to have a bit of time with him APW, if ever you're going to be in the area, let me know.
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APW46
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Sure thing James, next time I'm up in Huddersfield.
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Glenn
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my advice : for children, always train consistency. with normal loops, smashes, pushing etc. Consistency is the key.
the irony? I don't think you need any advice. I seriously think that you're handling fred very very well. I look forward to the next video! |
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JKC
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I have my own ideas about what he should be doing and practicing based on playing and observation as well as stuff I have picked up from other good coaches, but it is always good to run the vids past another few thousand pairs of eyes. And apart from anything else, I like showing him off.
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JimT
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By the way, when he starts playing in tourneys, train him a bit more on the sidespin - I noticed that is a truly deadly weapon when playing against small kids. No kiddin'... |
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JKC
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Anything that is that little bit different is always useful against kids. They like to get on the table and practice their forehand to forehand and they don't tend to do a lot else. Whether it is the sidespin that you suggest or an extra bit of chop on serves or when pushing, an extra bit of topspin or even just playing down a players backhand. He won't even have to try and disguise it too much either yet.
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JKC
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Sorry to dredge up my old thred here, but I am trying to make some 14 year old 'know it all' realise that he knows less than he thinks. Or at least stop posting nonsense comments on Fred's latest vid.
If anyone has 5 mins to spare to go over to Fred's vid here:-
And point out to 123ricewine that there is no evidence that Timo Boll was doing extensive BH practices before the age of 5 based on the '5 year old' clip in 'Timo Boll de Movie'. (between about 40 secs and 1 min 8 secs.) here:-
I am getting bored of repeating myself.
If you think otherwise, then post that too, I'm not out to make anyone say anything they don't believe.
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stiltt
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How immensely stupid can people be sometimes! it gives me a good idea of the dimensions of the universe and I want to give credit to 123ricewine (the commentator in jkc's vid on youtube) for helping me grabbing such an estimation.
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patrick1v
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just a thought juan have you ever thought of having him invite one or some of his mates over to play to hit with him. he has lot of potential,and talent. only a couple minor mistakes when playing he has to try to keep that right hand up and more of his weight on the ball of his feet to help with his balance otherwise he's doing great.
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JKC
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He does actually play plenty with other kids already. It's just far easier to stick with me in the vids rather than getting permission from other parents etc.
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