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alexuganski 
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 Topic: GAMBLER RubberPosted: 01/30/2011 at 11:20am |
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I like the price and look of Gambler rubbers. I want to know the main differences between the rubbers in the Gambler line
What rubbers are good for spin, smash, serve, block, etc?
How hard is the normal Gambler sponge, and how much harder is the Gambler Pro Firm sponge?
Any Info about Gambler rubber would be highly appreciated!
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alexuganski
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 11:58am |
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I'm really interested in Aces, Aces Pro, Outlaw, Six Shooter Pre-Tune, and Wraith... and how those rubbers compare to Mark V, Baracuda, Sriver, or whatever offensive rubber you know Also, what reviews can be said about the less expensive rubbers at colestt.com? I have friends who use Inspirit and I like it. Anything else from Cole's that might be a good option?
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Skyline
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:10pm |
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the best rubber from Gambler is Outlaw, I use it myself. It's very good, it's fast and spinny but not so much sensitive to the incoming spin. A close second is Gambler Reflectoid but it's more suitable for a defensive game.
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bull_harrier
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:17pm |
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How is the longevity of these rubbers? I have heard some people complain this and also I have seen some Gambler rubbers just fall apart fairly easily. |
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Skyline
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:23pm |
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well the durability of Outlaw was not a huge problem for me. My first generation sheets from 2009 lasted almost 3 months before they bubbled right in the center. My third generation sheets, lasted 6 months before the topsheet grip was gone If you don't hit the table, the topsheet won't break. I don't know if it still bubbles if you favor a heavy topspin game though, I'm more of a flat hitter/blocker.
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Boss1703
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:55pm |
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i loved when the 4 rubbers packages were a poker table scene!
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icontek
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 1:47pm |
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Aces is a high control, tacky chinese top with a soft sponge that is decent at both close to mid play.
Outlaw is a bit demanding to play and suitable for flat attacking backhand / smashing. Inspirit is nice because you can tune the thickness and hardness (1.8mm 35 degree BH is nice for control and versatility). edit based on Pongz post following: Reflectoid is probably the most underrated rubber in their line. Slow, tacky, effortless blocking and over the table play and great for taming an OFF blade. What is funny is that you are more likely to find higher rated players who adopt a close to the table control BH using it. Lower rated players like myself will tend toward "faster" rubbers to cover a weakness in technique :D |
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Pongz
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 6:24pm |
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I use Reflectoid 1.5mm. It is very good for its purpose. If you need more control for your backhand.. look no further, best value for its worth... Couple of persons thought that I was using anti spin.. because it has such good control... I like it for my backhand because :
1. I can put a lot of backspin during chop/push 2. In 1.5mm, imho, it is the best rubber for blocking. Nothing come close to it. 3. you can do slow very spinny loop. Smash is not its forte, you can do it.. but you likely win more point by using spin rather than speed with this rubber. |
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JimT
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Posted: 01/30/2011 at 9:32pm |
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Outlaw is non-tacky and the fastest with the hardest topsheet - therefore low sensitivity to the incoming spin. However, for good looping requires good technique.
Wraith is slightly tacky, slower than Outlaw but spins better and it is softer so with the proper technique loops are more consistent and spinnier. Very good on BH with harder blades. Aces Pro is a med-tacky offensive rubber, faster than Wraith but still not as fast as Outlaw. Recommended for those coming from old-style Chinese harder tacky rubbers. Not as tacky as old H3 or Skyline but close. A bit softer than those, too... Reflectoid is tacky and can produce some anti-like deception and with thin sponge like 1.0 or 1.5 can be a very effective defensive rubber on a heavy type DEF blade. Can produce a lot of spin too if played properly. |
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 12:13am |
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I have Aces Pro and Four Kings Pro on a Gambler Arylate//Carbon blade. The Aces Pro is just a little bit hotter than the four kings but it is hard for me to tell the difference between the two. I consider both to be a better option than Mark V or Sriver and would be good starter rubbers if they weren't so thick. They aren't very fast but can generate more spin that Mark V and Sriver with with less effort. I recently tried H2 Neo and though it played a lot like Four Kings. Yet another CN rubber. Neither Aces Pro or Four Kings Pro are as spinny and fast Red Diamond or Black Power.
Reflectoid is my favorite. It is a defensive rubber that I use offensively as well as defensively. I disagree with Jim T about the anti like deception. It has a deception all of its own. Reflectoid will absorb hard top spins like an anti but the anti will only slow down the spin a bit and produce balls that simply drop out of the air whereas Reflectoid will return a top spin with top spin but the weird thing is the the path a ball takes when it is blocked right off the bounce. The ball does drop suddenly, almost like a loop, but there is no 'spin reversal' like and anti because Reflectoid is somewhat tacky. I can loop with Reflectoid and attack long serves. I have played with Best Anti, Super Anti and Power Anti and know the difference between anti and Reflectoid. I can attack with Reflectoid with lots of top spin or back spin. It is much harder to modify the spin on anti unless you make exaggerated strokes and hit the ball harder. Outlaw doesn't interest me because it is probably faster than what I would like. I have yet to try Six Shooter or Wraith. |
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Slade
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 3:38am |
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I believe in the new Outlaw GCS 2.15 for upper intermediate and higher (until maybe 2100 ish as it doesn't seem great off the table / counterlooping); great product and value. Reflectoid is interesting, and also I think Shadow is decent too for something softer and lower level. I didn't like Six Shooter PT at all. Been too long since I've tried Aces, Wraith, or Four Kings (and never pro version) but none were very impressive.
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 4:18am |
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Dear All,
I ve played Outlaw recently and the durability is very bad. I played 3 times within a week totalling approx. 10 hours and it bubbled up.
I'm basically a looper and on 1st day after 4 hours of play, worn marks appeared on the topsheet. On the second day, when I practise smashing from mid table, the topsheet at the side of the blade where the ball hits torn apart and on the final day, it bubbled up.
I would say it's a pretty good chinese rubber quite close to Mark V and Sriver but durability is real bad.
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Skyline
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 10:03am |
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you probably got some old sheets,the newer sheets are not that bad. Or you must be a very powerful and high ranked player.
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BH-Man
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Posted: 01/31/2011 at 10:30am |
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Outlaw can be very spinny if you adjust to it. Its best spin is on power shots, but you can get good spin on slow loops as well. It serves very well and has good spring on slower shots.
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