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trankev
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Posted: 04/12/2007 at 4:54pm |
I never play with short pips before. I plan to use short pips for my backhand. Can some high rated players here help me to understand more and answer some of my questions? I would appreciate so much. 1) beside the fact that short pips can reverse most of spins, can short pips create spins when you serve? 2) When someone serve to your back hand with a fast non spin serve or a top spin, can you block and push it back by short pips as you would do it with a smooth rubber? 3) Can you loop with short pips on back hand? 4) Can you flip with short pips? 5) Does short pips have the kind of bounce the same as smooth rubbers? 6) What�s the difference in thickness of short pips? Advantage and disadvantage? 7) Can you do normal push back and forth with short pips as you would do with smooth rubbers? I found that it's weird to push with medium pips. 8) Last, what are advantages of using short pips on back hand versus smooth rubber? And disadvantages? |
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mdjenders
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I am not "high rated" but will say that many of the characteristics you wonder about will depend on the particular short pip you end up using. I used 802-40 soft on my fh for quite a while and found it to be pretty spinny compared to other short pips. I could loop top and underspin to some degree, and I could impart a limited amount of spin on my serves with this pip. Also, the push stroke was very similar to inverted.
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trankev
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Thanks. WHat is 802-40? is it friendship?
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creeder06
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802-40 is probably the best sp out there for the money talk to cole he can put it on a better sponge and make it even better
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if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca.
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yogi_bear
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1. yes.. a bit less than inverted rubbers but if you are a higher level player you could produce greater spins. liu gouliang uses short pips on his FH and was reported to have the spinniest serve in the chinese national team even against the ones using inverted rubbers.
2. yes, sp's are good block rubbers against serves with no spin and yes you can push with it.. the thing with sp's is that you can easily hit the ball served at you and can produce a fast knuckle ball return with a low trajectory.. 3. yes.. i myself have another racket with an ritc 802-40 max on the back hand and i can loop balls that have been pushed or chopped with it.. its a lil bit harder to loop in the FH but it can be done with practice. 4. definitely yes! sp's IMHO are better in flipping compared to inverted ones 5. no.... inverted rubbers are more springy than sp's since the pimples or topsheet of the sp's don't produce as much bounce as the inverted ones.. the sponge could be a factor though.. if you are using a fast and bouncy sponge it could help give a lil more springyness to your shots. 6. same with inverted rubbers.. the thicker the faster the lesser the more control 7. yes 8. short pips can handle incoming heavy spins of all types much easier than inverted rubbers (anti spins are not included).. good hitting rubbers.. short pips do not produce as much spin as normal inverted ones generally and if you're not used to using sp's the ball has the tendency to fall off your blade when you hit it.. it alwyas goes to the net |
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kenneyy88
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I don't think it reverses spin, you're thinking of long pips. Short spins can hit through spin easier.
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Qtjoel
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I've used speed p.o. before, I really liked it, although I am a hitter, I couldnt life with the fact that any of the top 20 players didnt use short pips, I know this sounds dumb. speedy p.o.'s rubber is hard and the ball placement is spectacular. You'd probably hit it to where you want to....easily.
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trankev
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thanks to all your advice. These are so helpful and you guys are very helpful. Special thank to Yogi_bear and Creeder. I have another question. My forehand is really strong. I loop a lot with forehand and I move right to left and left to right to use forehand. But my backhand is not as good because i sometime can loop and most of the time, I can't . This is why i'm learning to play pips. I'm using 563 medium pips and i find out that if someone serve fast and long to me, my backhand medium pips can't return the ball. Most of the time, my shot would go off the table or hit the net. Is it because medium pips does not have the capability to return like short pips that you all mentioned? Also, with short pips, should I choose thicker or thinner sponge? Thanks |
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pingpongpaddy
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medium-pips are a form of long pimples. They may not look long but the pimples bend. IMHO you would be better off with some 802-40 or Raystorm Flarestorm Tyranno These rubbers all have good spin capabilities and of course are great for hitting |
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yogi_bear
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tran, its always the saying,"dont blame the equipment but your strokes"
have you tired practicing hitting? its a common mistake for beginners in pips to hit the ball on the net.. if you wanna try short pips try the cheaper ones like 802-40 or globe 889-1 889-2 short pips |
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bbkon
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the advices of yogi bear are not accurate it depends of the blade, there are several short pips substyles and you must choose the right gear
like i like to keep the ball on the table some wnat to end quick, wide pips are usefulfor that but are more tricky to use in the 40mm era the SP ARE MORE lethal
some good pips are 889 widely used by chinese and once used by liu gl in the us open, but they use the bty speedy with other sponge
1st you need a stiff blade and with some kick( some top koreans use TBS ph version like lee eun mi, prolly the fastest SP player
other good blade for SP play is avalox p700 not p777, if you need to get spinny serves get a soft sponge, but the spinnier the pip the easier to get return, its cuth both ways , if you play with a pip that bugs a lot it s easy to miss, it widely known lie that short pips help u to handle spinny serves unleess you are a low lvl player.. you gotta be more careful to return the serves with pips that returning with smooth..if you are into tecchnical style you can beat a lot oif high level player ..thats why swedes wanted to ban short pips,,,even there is a SP ph in swden that always spanks waldner(ahn shu)
if you got lucky and patience get yasaka bullet aka ritc 878,,very very fast
you sengtong played with 878 to beat jiang in 1989
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yogi_bear
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excuse me, playing short pips doesnt entirely depend on the blade, it depends on your stroke.. the blade and rubber type is only 20% of your performance using short pips, its mostly skills and strokes
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stephen chung
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I am an inverted rubber player but I do play around with short pips once a while. I have try tyranno, 802 and recently the new moristo sp.
So, far I think moristo is the best short pip I ever try. I can loop with the moristo sp like i do it with my inverted rubbers. And you hit the ball it creates alot of underspin. This is one short pip that makes me wanted to switch. I think is really worth a try. But the price is also pretty steep. It cost SDG50 per pcs. |
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TT_Freak
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Get spinny pips and a 7-ply wood, spin is dependant on your handspeed.
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kim_taek_soo
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Short pips are better at continuing spin, not reversing it. If someone gives you heavy sidespin on a serve or a push, don't try to cancel it, just continue it. In other words dont try to turn left sidespin into right or no spin, just build up the left spin until your opponent can't handle it. Also, you should do some footwork drills if you're going to use SPs.
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varghesep
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I think the short pips can simply kill the spin - this is based on the angle of the racket. You can generate top and under spin with short pips - you may have to practice and develop the skill.
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kenneyy88
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Theres some interesting strokes in the neubuar video somewhere on this forum. I think a drive is like using open racket hitting it forward.
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agooding2
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Returning fast and long serves are the biggest weakness of short pips. If you can't step around use your forehand, if it's low best to try and roll the ball back with an open racket face or block it for faster serves with topspin. If the serve is underspin you can continue the spin by looping it, but you'll need to let the ball drop to do that, not hit it on the way up.
Anything high you should smash, but keep your blade up and racket face open. If you previously played with inverted you are probably closing your racket too much. With pips you need a more open blade and forward motion.
Medium pips like 563 don't provide that much spin, a shorter pip like those suggested will allow you to generate your own spin and give you more control. I'm not wild about selecting pips to cover a weakness though.
For short pips, select a soft sponge and fairly thin (1.5-1.8) as the pips will make the surface feel harder than it is. Speed on smashes comes more from the stroke and the blade than the sponge and thinner = more control.
-- Andrew
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trankev
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Thanks Andrew. Big hint from you. THanks a lot
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mini_minor
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how open is open?
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agooding2
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More open than with inverted. For example, if your blade angle is 45 degrees with inverted, you might need 65 degrees.
Try it and see what works. -- Andrew |
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bbkon
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would windcarbon dhs too fast? or there s something faster and better
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agooding2
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I haven't used a faster blade than DHS Wind Carbon. A lot of players find it too fast. Faster isn't always better.
I prefer the slightly slower and harder feel Joola Guo 3C, but a lot of short pips players prefer a simple 7 ply wood blade, like the Clipper or Avalox.
-- Andrew
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I think Schlager precision is a good short pips blade too. It's a very very hard blade and its quite fast(faster than off-) and it's seven(7) ply. Very high control too and still enough feeling for looping etc
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agooding2
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I haven't played with Butterfly Schlager Precision but it sounds like an appropriate blade for pips play, pretty hard and fast. The Clearfield was used by Chen Jing with pips on the backhand, and is similar in makeup.
-- Andrew
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bbkon
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recently i tried the wind carbon and is fast (not quite) ,faster than clipper but not as powerful if you want to put away lobs, andrew i thought guo 3c had more touch than wind carbon is it true ?
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Speedy55
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what about Sardius?
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agooding2
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I thought the FDHS Wind Carbon had more of a catapult effect, so less control. Also it was not as hard compared with my Guo 3C,which I prefer for pips.
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