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    Posted: 05/11/2007 at 11:42am
theres different techniques of looping backspin. timo boll putting raquet vertically down with no windup, alan bentsen extreme windup.

as a beginner whos is quite weak in looping, wats the recommended/basic way of looping backspin.

should i pull my raquet back?

[this is my problem btw, when i try to loop, my arm and raquet sort of 'cuts my head across, rahter than that saluting aciton, ie peter karlsson, smirnov etc"

help me in alleviating this problem as well....
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The best lesson I've had was from Dana Jeffries in Colo Springs. Or at least I followed the logic of the strokes he showed me the best. I was backswinging too far back and he backed me up by a wall. He set my feet around 45deg with my right heel against a wall. This limited my backswing to just behind my body. He said that was the correct amount.
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wat do u mean? can u illustrate this pictorally?
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not really. Just put your left foot in front of your right (assuming you're right handed) to about 45deg. back up to a wall where your right heel is on the wall. Swing back until you touch the wall. That's it.
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That's a cool exercise - thanks Cole.  You say your right heel is touching the wall - what angle does your foot form with the wall?
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Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

theres different techniques of looping backspin. timo boll putting raquet vertically down with no windup, alan bentsen extreme windup.as a beginner whos is quite weak in looping, wats the recommended/basic way of looping backspin.should i pull my raquet back?[this is my problem btw, when i try to loop, my arm and raquet sort of 'cuts my head across, rahter than that saluting aciton, ie peter karlsson, smirnov etc"help me in alleviating this problem as well....

Depends is the ball:
1. low when you hit it?
2. high when you hit it?
1.:- then you must do 'lifting drive' concentrating on lifting the chop over the net. So yr stroke must start below the ball and stroke will be nearly vertical
2.:- The ball is higher so you can do 'sinking drive', which means applying more forward power with more closed racket. So racket is only slightly behind and further back when you begin stroke.

However if the ball is really high it is better to kill if you are able.
   
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I suppose it would be 45 as well, since that's how you're pointing. I believe I pivot on the balls of my feet a bit as I stroke, so they probably are close to perpendicular to the wall at the end of the stroke.
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As for me that depends on the height and spin on the ball and I use different technique for it. No fix and hard rules .
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It depends on your own style, Wang Liqin has a huge windup while on the other hand Timo Boll has hardly any prep stroke.
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Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

wat do u mean? can u illustrate this pictorally?
 
what?? 
 
well, y'see, that's the whole problem with these how-to threads.  unless you actually show a video or, at the very least, some pictures or illustrations, then the explanations given will be meaningless for most people, if not all.
 
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Originally posted by pingpongpaddy pingpongpaddy wrote:

Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

theres different techniques of looping backspin. timo boll putting raquet vertically down with no windup, alan bentsen extreme windup.as a beginner whos is quite weak in looping, wats the recommended/basic way of looping backspin.should i pull my raquet back?[this is my problem btw, when i try to loop, my arm and raquet sort of 'cuts my head across, rahter than that saluting aciton, ie peter karlsson, smirnov etc"help me in alleviating this problem as well....

Depends is the ball:
1. low when you hit it?
2. high when you hit it?
1.:- then you must do 'lifting drive' concentrating on lifting the chop over the net. So yr stroke must start below the ball and stroke will be nearly vertical
2.:- The ball is higher so you can do 'sinking drive', which means applying more forward power with more closed racket. So racket is only slightly behind and further back when you begin stroke.

However if the ball is really high it is better to kill if you are able.
   


I do the same way as described here . If the ball is backspin heavy , the racket goes from knee height to head height vertically . when I see there little spin or ball is high , then the hand go from behind to front and little higher .

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here is the best discription there is
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