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theman
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Posted: 05/22/2007 at 10:27pm |
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hi guys, is it normal to say:
me against a chopper right, he chops to my wide fh, i loop it back, he chops it on other side, and instead of running around for the fh i do i bh loop? and same with a nomral player, if u tospin slow on my bh side, just stay there and do bh top as well. so for me, i cover 50/50 with bh and fh? do many players do this? or should i change the way i play? |
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players with strong backhands do this. as long as you feel comfortable with this stroke you definitely should not change! players with great backhands are very rare, if its your case, take advantage of it!
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BigJ99678
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fh everything. i am very comfortable with my bh, and i still try very hard to fh as much as possible
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reachie85
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most people have a much stronger fh than bh, but if ur bh is very consistent and more than 60 to 70% as powerful as your fh (spin, speed wise), then don't change your style. as in the case for a penholder like me, i run like hell trying to use fh as much as possible. i'd say that penholders HAVE to run and use fh as much as possible, unless if your bh is pure rpb and consistent like wang hao.
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pingpongpaddy
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You will find your foot work will be more dynamic. (and therefore your placement and tactics) if you use fh more. Personally I try to use fh against defence whenever possible for this reason. I sometimes use bh if I need to get used to the spin (against a twiddler for example)
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Qtjoel
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Just wondering...what does rbp mean? And When I practice looping forehand with my dad I only hit about 3-4 times before I miss but when I just hit back to him to get a rhythm I can him 30+ times. Do you think it has to do with the fact that he stand really close to the table when he pushes back to me? (he's a penholder with chinese real and bryze 1.9 not speed glued) should I tell him to move back? I kind of loop european style emphasizing on sholer and body more than forearm and wrist. I''m guessing this is why europeans stand back when they loop because it takes longer to recover compared to chinese looping. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to practice because I seem to not get anymore consistant and I practice like 3 times a week with my dad and over and over again I only hit about 3-4 loops. I also try to be aggressive with my looping and the only loop I do w hile practicing is strong loops with alot of topspin, do you think this has to do with the fact that I am only hitting about 3-4 times?
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agni
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You are hitting 3-4 times as I assume you are hitting them harder each time . During a rally with a blocker , trying hitting hard then mix with slightly controlled loop. This also gives you time to regain position and also change the racket angle of blocker . In practice try more controlled loops and you will get 7-8 consistent ones . This will give you a rhtym & confidence . If you are close to table , keep using your current style . When behind since you have more time you can based on your comfort take up a style. |
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agooding2
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rbp is Reverse penhold backhand, when a penholder uses the backside of his paddle to loop and hit with rather than taking everything with the forehand side of his paddle, which is what a traditional single-sided penholder, like your dad, does.
The technique was popularized by Liu Guoliang and is practiced most effectively by Ma Lin (who does both traditional blocking and rpb) and by Wang Hao (who uses the backside of his paddle for everything on the backhand side except pushing.
Here's some clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwZo2hNuuAo
If you are rushed by your dad, the ball is probably coming back to you too fast. You should step back after each loop to give yourself space and time to loop again. The tendency is to step in and get closer to the table.
You also may need to reduce the speed of your loop and focus more on creating spin which will give you a higher arc and more time to be ready for the next ball. These are also harder to block.
-- Andrew
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pingpongpaddy
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The standard you are aiming for is way too low. Keep a diary of yr training then: You should start doing topspins on one line at the the level of speed and spin where you can do 20 reps at will. if you miss reduce speed and spin. THAT will MEAN SLOWING DOWN for a couple of sessions! repeat this practice at same speed until you succeed 9 rallies out of ten. Then increase the speed until you are back to only 10 shots then practise at the new speed until you can do 20. Bear in mind that a top pro could do 1000 topspins against block no problem. keep going untill 100 stroke rallies at control speed are the norm. remember good length topspin bounces near end of table If you have a good feeder there s no reason why you shouldnt get a hundred or so if your dad is a good blocker. the secret is to not try and loop winners but go for rhthym as you did with yr hitting. Once yr bored with one line stuff try a pattern: you play all to one corner. Dad blocks 2 to bh 1 to fh repeat. you play bh, fh(steparound) fh (from wide)repeat 40 strokes per rally would be excellent, but it may take you a while to get even 20. |
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phrixion
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My coach tells me if you're young and can run around do it! All you need is a FH and no BH. But for us folks who cannot step around a ball all the time, the BH is very important. That's why kids and younger players usually don't need a good BH to win most matches, they dominate and can get everywhere with just their FH. Taken with a grain of salt. :) If you have a good FH and can step around most balls do it. I have a pretty good BH but I can step around the ball quite a bit so I play about 60%-75%FH and about 30%-40%BH shots. But someone like Kreanga though, it seems he is quite dominate with his BH, same with Karakesivic, so to me it seems they play their BH more often... i could be wrong. |
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Qtjoel
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wupps I get impatient and I always try to go for winners because I feel like I need to make it have a lot of speed in order for it to have a lot of spin. I use sriver g2 as a forehand, what would be ways of adding spin and not speed?
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it's how you brush the ball, if you look at the the Step by Step Looping Instructions thread, look at WLQs FH loop off the table, not the underspin one. That's exactly it. there are small things like wrist position at the beginning of the stroke, contact and follow through/finish. He brushes up on the ball not hit it or do a funny looking cocked wrist loop. Adding rotation from the waist and legs will help as well. Don't try to hit the ball, brush up on it. |
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forehandloop
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if i am not wrong, table tennis used to be dominated by strong forehanders who take every shot on their fh, but eventually Swedish players who were able to take good shots on both bh and fh emerged. My point is, fh is generally stronger than bh, but do not try too hard to cover everything with fh, it'll only tire you out. also while switching sides, your fh would not be as effective as it would have been if it were on your fh, so theres not much point running to pull a weak fh.
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