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Another newbie question: Lacquering blades? |
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Trebor Renkluaf
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Posted: 09/08/2007 at 11:48am |
A few years ago when I was replacing the rubber on my paddle, a friend of mine suggested applying a very thin coat of epoxy to the paddle. I believe this is to make it easier to remove the rubber in the future. I�ve noticed that some of the online stores offer a lacquering process if you buy the blade and rubber from them, and have them assemble it for you. So do you lacquer your blades? What do you use? Pros? Cons? Thanks Bob |
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tommyzai
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Bob,
I am proclaiming myself an semi-expert at sealing and lacquering, although there may be other techniques that may be almost as effective as mine. :-). VARATHANE DIAMOND INTERIOR WOOD FINISH-SATIN (not gloss)-#2002-61. *Prepare blade first. If you have to lightly sand, do it carefully with a fine gauge sponge sanding block-DRY. If you wet-sand a bare wood blade it might sofen the wood and could disform it. Do not round off blade edges. Use rubbing alcohol to clean. Let dry (a few minutes). Now you're ready . . . 1. Stir Can well without shaking (causes air bubbles). 2. Dip the corner (twisted or folded up a little) of clean, dry cotton cloth* and quickly rub the sealer into the blade and with a technique that covers evenly. I go in circles starting at the center of the face of the blade and work my way to the outter edges, then wipe along the side edge (perimeter) of the blade where the edge tape will go, then quickly return to the face of the blade to wipe off any spill over from the edge sealing with some light vertical strokes from handle out over top of blade. You might want to stroke a nice even level line across the top of the handle where the bottom edge of the rubber will go; however, I think it looks better and strenthens the blade to seal the wings/shoulder. Some prefer to use a sponge or china bristle brush when applying, but that leaves a heavy coat and/or streaks of sealant. THAT IS NO GOOD. The trick is to rub the sealant INTO the blade, then gently wipe off the excess with the cloth. Some use a good quality paper towel. Basically, use whatever is clean and doesn't leave link or fuzz stuck in the wet sealant. 3. Wait two hours, then polish with a clean dry cloth. 4. Repeat. 5. Repeat a third or forth time ONLY if the blade is like bare porous wood or if you want a stiffer lacquered effect (I have over sealed and made a mess. My blade looked like an over protected night table . . . hard as a rock and too thick). Luckily, I managed to fix this by sanding with a fine gauge wet sanding sponge and it took hours to repair my disaster. But only do this if you mess up, which you shouldn't. However, I should mention many of the Chinese players are over-sealing to stiffen the blade. Some call over-sealing "lacquering." There are also other product and techniques specifically designed for lacquering, but I recommend using Varathane and adjusting the number of layers. 6. Wait 24-hours. 7. Affix your rubbers! I use glue sheets and NEVER get splinters when removing!!!!!! *Use a cotton cloth or an expensive paper towel like Bounty that will not leave lint of fall apart and get stuck to your wet sealer. I use an old pair of 100% cotton boxer shorts. :-). I don't remember who turned me on to this Sealer, but it was on this site. My hats off to him/her. I added the boxer shorts. |
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Trebor Renkluaf
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Ok thanks. I hope you wash the boxer shorts first!!!
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loopy
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TRUST tommy,
I did his method on my new Donic and it turned out perfect.
If youre lucky and send him some $$$$$, he may even send you his lucky boxers. That is if his GF hasn't framed them yet, and hung them in his TT shrine, formerly known as the basement.
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tommyzai
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1. Lightly sealing is a MUST for worry-free rubber removal (there are some coated blades that do not need sealing).
2. Heavy sealing is a MUST for glue-sheet removal. 3. Over sealing/lacquering is an OPTION to increase stiffness and speed. 4. My boxers are not for rent or sale, but I will consider a trade. :-). |
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loopy
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If they have the power to transform my wifes attitude about my EJ issue ITS WORTH ANY TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Trebor Renkluaf
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This is vary close to a technique that was taught to me by a guy who worked at the local unifinshed furniture store. His trick was to apply the finish with those cheap sponge brushes and then immediately go back over the area with a clean sponge brush to clean up the excess. You think you are just wiping the finish off but you aren't. I've done this to a number of chest of drawers using a satin finish and had excellent results. He mentioned Bounty paper towels to clean up the second brush with. I guess they don't leave lint?
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mece
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word to Mr. Zai! BTW if you want to use something lint free, use a paper towel.
-Dip it in the can using the paper towel -wipe it on evenly. -wait 1min -wipe it off -leave it on a warm place for 24 hours (depeding on the varnish or lacquer you're using). |
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loopy
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ONLY expensive paper towels are lint free. BE CAREFUL, you dont want fuzz on your blade. Doubt it would make that much difference unless you want to sell the blade. As a plumber, I only use the "Shop Towel" blue type. |
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mece
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those are not lint free,lol.... I just use kitchen paper towels, they "seem" lint free. |
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loopy
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I Did Not Know That!
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loopy
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I know tommies boxers are lint free. I've seen them. They did have some funny coloring though. Could have been the VARATHANE.
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Blade:729 Bomb from colestt.com
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Trebor Renkluaf
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I don't think that was Varathane...
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Blade: Tibhar Samsonov Alpha
FH: Rapid 2.0 BH: Rapid 2.0 Blade: Stiga Hans Alser - 1983 FH: Yasaka Mark V Max BH: Yasaka Mark V Max |
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tommyzai
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Scott + Bounty Paper Towels are almost lint-free, but my boxers are better!
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loopy
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Hey, those are Joes boxers! tommy, you thief
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Blade:729 Bomb from colestt.com
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SDRamones
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a light varnish and your good. too much of a smooth re-surfacing of the blade face can make you use a lot of glue. the same as using too much of any type of wood treatment.
so whatever you use i would suggest moderation |
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