Inspirit Quattro is here, V2

Reaper of Aces wrote: just a point i have checked one of a kind trading and he states that his quattro is an export quality dawei rubber from a fully autherised dawei dealer.how does anybody know that the product has not been bought from any authorised dealer in china who sells seconds.jonathon

That is simply a stupid remark, which I hope you are aware of. Haggisv has been around since the dinosaurs walked on the face of earth and if it's one thing he's become known for, it's that he always looks out for his customers by providing them with good quality stuff.

If you would like to play the suspicious game with me, fine, how do you know that Rob doesn't buy a second rate batch directly from Dawei? Or, he might buy a first rate for him self and sell the second rate to his other dealers?

Off course, I do not believe he does. I have come to know both Rob and Haggisv and I believe that they both are trustworthy dealers of TT gear. The main difference is that Rob always suspect others to sell stuff of lower quality, while Haggisv never would say something bad about another dealer, even if it was deserved. So please, use the golden rule, think first,then type, re-read and the hit the submit button, ok?

Wow, go to sleep, and all is fine. Wake up to a barrage of insults.

First of all don't go of accusing me of having a second Avatar, I'll speak my mind on my own, Dont need help from anyone.


Facts

1. Cole is the American Dealer for Dawei.

2. Affordable is the Australian Dealer for Dawei.

3. I didn't bring One of a Kind into this debate, someone else did.

4. One of a Kind is not an authorised Dawei Dealer.

5. One of a kind's Inspirit Quattro Stock come from Eaching (Informed by Dawei).

5. Dawei, just like other manufacturers have Second Grade or off batch products, which they off load to Chinese Sellers. (informed by Dawei, confirmed by Cole)

6. When a Dawei product is bought in Australia, and its not of a good standard, it affects my reputation.

7. people always spread the word when something goes wrong, not right.

Now lets exagerate a little.

I Can get DHS products, but choose not to as One of a Kind Trading has them, why wouldn't I simply purchase them, and then state that his DHS stock was inferior. That would be a lie. AND I DONT LIE.

HaggisV is an Honest Trader, i know that for a fact, but there always a but, He cant buy Dawei Products from Dawei, so he's left in the hand of however he buy them from. Yes speedplay you are right, I could buy seconds from Dawei, but what would the point be, What would I be saving. I want repeat business, Selling a rubber once makes no sense, and these forums spread the word about Faulty or crappy products. They hardly spread the word, when a product is Good.

On another point about me suspecting dealers of selling products of lower quality, have i ever stated that one of a kind sells lower quality Juic products. NO
Have I ever stated that he sells lower quality Falco Product. NO
In fact have I ever stated that he has lower quality Inspirit Rubber. NO

If I am suspicious, it because I have first hand experience, (at the higher playing level) That some products bought from some seller are not as good as from others, The reason have been stated above By Cole and by myself. (Although I seem to be the only one to be attacked once again)

Before you go reading into something that I have not said, Read Read Read, then post. But I will continue to defend myself.

And for you Debraj, Dont know how long you have been playing for, but all companies has second quality. All products as well. Youv'e never read a story about a Lemon Vehicle. A second. Their are store out their that sell these seconds. HAve you ever seen a Seconds Table Tennis Store. No the manufacturers put the seconds into a space capsule and eject them into outer space, for the martians to use. COME ON MATE. You think the chinese Manufacturer just dispose of them in the Rubbish. Come to think of it, do you think any of them do.

On the last matter, It does matter to me when a Dawei Rubber is bought in Australia from another seller. When I enter the Tournamnets around Australia, I get to meet a lot of people, and also inform them that I'm the Authorised Importer of Dawei and other products. Sometimes I come across people that have purchased Dawei products from else where, and have made comments on how bad it is. These comments sometimes reflect the bad choice of Sponge, (or the lack of choice) that was under the particular rubber. So you see, they then think its me thats importing the product. Not the seller. Sometimes you should think of situations form another persons boots. Its called empathy. I'm sure that HaggisV wouldn't like it if I backed Doored him with Juic products. And in Fact he put a stop to me purchaing the juic range, stating that i would lower the selling price to much in Australia, But Still I haven't back doored him.

This thread was supposed to be about Dawei Inspirit Quattro yet once again it turned out to be about knocking PINGPONGROB.

I know HaggisV has been on the forums a long time and made lots of friends, He's a friendly guy, But that doesn't mean that as soon as a new trader comes on, everyone gets together and has a go at him (I dont mean everyone, just some).

Spend the time read the thread from the start, its a long thread, and then make comments. i didn't write the whole thread.

As for JCDI super user, read the whole topic, and stop making false accusations about thing that happened in other Forums. To get your facts straight, dennis warned me because, I was running a competition, that all members except you liked. So what did you do, Report It. Them make claims about other things GROW UP, and stop acting like a spoilt child.

Speedplay wrote: PPRob, I don't understand why you feel the need to defend your self against my "accusations" as they really aren't accusations at all, merely hypothetical scenarios of what could be done, to show "Reaper...." that his comments aren't very wise. About you claming other sellers to sell bad quality... Let me see if get this, Dawei sell second rate stuff to China, according to you, backed up by Cole and confirmed by Dawei, right? You provide us with that info, thanks, that is in deed a nice thing to do. Then you say that Oneofakind buy their stuff from Eaching, China. Correct me if I'm wrong but when you put two and two together, the result is that you say OOAK sells bad stuff. That isn't a nice thing to do, more an attack on a reputable dealer, who, like you yourself, always aims to please his customers. About the Juic stuff, I doubt that Haggisv actually bad mouthed you infront of them, but I don't know. One thing that springs to my mind is that Haggisv used to carry Dawei until you grabbed them, how did this happen? What did you say to Dawei to get the sole distribution? What you, and other dealer really should do is to NEVER ever talk about other dealers by name or insinuation. It's fine with me that you do promote your stuff, just don't go bad mouth each other. Come on Rob, we go back and I usually stick my neck out for you when you are being unfairly targeted. On this thread there is a "super user" (Wow, impressive, when all that has to be done to reach that is to post, post, post) who attacks you, but your defense is of such a nature I have to post against you instead of this super user. So Rob, I'm your friend, I'm Haggisv's friend I and hope that I can remain a good internet friend to the both of you as my info about you both are that you are very good to make business with. Calm down, you will both benefit on a more peaceful manner towards each other here at the forum.

Speedplay, I agree i wasn't defending the new fella at all, I was going on a previous post. I also wasn't the one that brought up OOAK. it was another member. I didn't tell Dawei to drop OOAK. In fact as stated at dennis's Forum, every time i ask them about OOAK, they said that they didn't supply them. So how was I to know otherwise, I though OOAK bought from someone in china, Remember I was new to the Chinese rubber game back then, as stated it was dawei that had done the deception.

Now if you Like I can PM the email message I recieved from Juic. I dont think it should be aired on a public forum.

Speedplay and other, I dont dislike OOAK at all. I've stated it many times, you just dont read it. But sometimes good people make mistakes as well. We are only Human.

I agree. Hurray

Atomica wrote: I can definitely see what you meant about it not being as fast as the 430 Rob, but the spin and control are definitely better. Someone just needs to combine the 2 rubbers haha.. can Daweii change their formula again

Its probably about 30% slower than the Plasma 430. But you are right, the control is Super. One of the versions I used with BTY long life glue. I wet glued it, and gee what a differance. it went from a tame beast to an absolute rocket.

I'd like to hear more impressions about the actual rubber - here is what I've found with absolute certainty:

In 35 degree, Quattro is spinnier + faster than regular Inspirit, unglued.  The inspirit I used before was EE2 treated which definately gave it more kick.  I destroyed those sheets with use, and loved them to the end.  Quattro is a no brainer as no treatment is needed to get a similar response - I'm not interested in regular gluing, EE2 is a lot of work, so I'm very pleased that I can just glue it on and go.

I have two additional setups - Visse Balsa with Provine 2.0, and Violin with Banda Rossa soft (mendo energy clone) - all of them generate good spin for service but quattro has the most spin, noticably so.

When looping I get much more spin out of the quattro, though this might also have some help from the blade (darker 5p-2a).  Straight hitting quattro is noticably faster than the others.  Regular inspirit had a deeper, more mechanical 'chock' sound when hitting that Quattro lacks - but hitting hard with quattro makes a sound like a firecracker.  To be honest I don't miss that chocking sound as it is audible during service and gives an indication of the level of spin.

Control is a factor for me, and thankfully quattro has it (the two other setups mentioned above definately have it).  The spin helps a lot to keep things on the table.

There you have it - my review.  I also want to mention, the Visse Balsa blade is really an impressive blade.  I will post more impressions in another thread.

I got a newly formulated sample with my last order and, while it's still not plasma, it is improved.  And it's yellow.  So it seems they may go with this color, simply because they're out of orange pigment.  However I don't like it being yellow cause there's no way the consumer can distinguish between the two.

Here you go, some more pics to drool over..LOL

So from reading this thread I gather that Inspirit Quattro is  just as good as any other jap/euro expensive $40-50 rubber ? Except its only $18?! Sounds crazy to me, I'm definately interested, if not a bit skeptical. What other rubbers would you guys compare this to in terms of feel/play, etc...?

just fwiw Rob if you tell it how it is once then people may buy from you,if you ram it down their throats over and over again they may not