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    Posted: 09/24/2007 at 3:59pm
I played with Sriver EL, Hammond Pro Alpha, Magna and find them very similar. Probable they are all grippy surface on a medium hard sponge type. I'm satisfied with them but these days I practice too much and those rubbers cost me a lot. So I'm looking for Chinese ones which are similar to those listed above.

Any comment?

For ones interested in playing style when making opening comments:
I need the rubber for my BH.
I have an all-around BH and aggressive FH (BH pushing with much much spin to take chance to attack next round).
My BH/FH loop ratio is about 15/85.
I feel comfortable when playing BH loop from mid-distance, so I'm developing it.

Thanks a lot.
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How important is it that the rubber be light?
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Ah yeah, thanks Cole. Since the Globe is relatively heavy so it is great that the weight is equal or lighter than, say, Sriver EL.
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Globe wouldn't be your best choice as it's tackier than grippy.

Inspirit variations are good subs for that line but may be too heavy. If so I recommend six shooter, focus3 (which both I and ZP are currently out of) or some custom topsheet/sponge combination.
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So sad Am I coming to a dead-end?
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HK1997 from palio, 38-41 degree is good for BH
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Yeah, that stuff is very fast and ultra tensioned. Not tacky.
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u can use skyline3
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    Magna by Stiga
 
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Originally posted by asr1990 asr1990 wrote:

    Magna by Stiga
 
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The most correct comment and this makes me an idiot. Ha ha.
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dipper is the best euro offering from dhs, imo
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i'm surprised that no one mentioned goldway 916 and 968...
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there's no reason to, as six shooter is the improved version and far better in every way
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Oh i see... actually i played sixshooter on inspirit+ and goldway stinger on stiga clipper ...

 
may be that's why i liked goldway more that six shooter.
 
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well, the stinger was tackier and I guess you prefer that based on your other post, but that also moves it away from the euro request of this thread.
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i am sorry i wanted to say destroyer and said stinger... i confuse between the two.
 
and you are right.. i don't like non-sticky rubbers.. so i didn't like any of those for my style of play... just for comparison...
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Thank you, every one. So far a list of (Sriver EL, Hammond Alpha, Magna) similar is:
Gambler Six Shooter
Ritc Friendship Focus III
Palio HK1997

How about destroyer?

For SkylineIII I doubt it. I heard it is designed for Chinese players' FH which is a little bit different to classic FH then it should have a tacky surface and a built-in glue effect sponge.

I question to myself what if all other Euro/Jap stuffs have some similar Chinese version?

Then I think, at least, Cole would be a millionaire. Ha ha. JK.
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I emulate mambo or rapid soft by putting the palio topsheet over the saviga sponge. But I like it better cause the top is a slight bit tacky. I find the true euro tops to be downright slick. I can only serve well with a couple, one being coppa.
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Originally posted by caigichaduoc caigichaduoc wrote:

I played with Sriver EL, Hammond Pro Alpha, Magna and find them very similar. Probable they are all grippy surface on a medium hard sponge type. I'm satisfied with them but these days I practice too much and those rubbers cost me a lot. So I'm looking for Chinese ones which are similar to those listed above.

Any comment?

For ones interested in playing style when making opening comments:
I need the rubber for my BH.
I have an all-around BH and aggressive FH (BH pushing with much much spin to take chance to attack next round).
My BH/FH loop ratio is about 15/85.
I feel comfortable when playing BH loop from mid-distance, so I'm developing it.

Thanks a lot.
 
your idea is all wrong.
chinese rubber is not the best for bh.
esp if its not your safty side.
also chinese rubber dies so much faster that euro/jap rubbers
and the only way youll get somthing good is if you pay almost the same price as the euro/jap rubbers. chinese rubber is not very good off the table for back hand either since ther isnt enough power. buy a hard sponge jap rubber like sriverL in 2.1 that is alot more fitting for what you want it will last a long time it has great control and can play off the table. and its relitivly cheap for a jap rubber at 30 dollers.
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i disagree with chinese rubbers last less less longer than euro/jap rubbers, i have in the past taken care and used chinese and euro jap rubbers alike in the same blade and euro jap rubbers lasts more or less 4-6 months while i can make a chiense rubber last even up to a year..  chinese rubbers are more durable than euro jap and the tackiness can last a long time provided you clean them
and i also disagree with the chinese rubber bad for the BH.. i am using hurricane 2 at my BH now and alternately change to skyline 3 i have no problems with it, its a good blocking and hitting rubber and great for opening BH loops
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its all biased from what i hearing. but never the less, im having awesome time with my 729 SP on my bh, good power, and good spin on serves.
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Try Magna I am sure you will like it:
  It is light
  It is imo a Chinese rubber with a Euro twist(just as Stiga state)
  It is powerful from Mid-Distance
 
  3 things that you may want in a rubber
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Originally posted by asr1990 asr1990 wrote:

Try Magna I am sure you will like it:
  It is light
  It is imo a Chinese rubber with a Euro twist(just as Stiga state)
  It is powerful from Mid-Distance
 
  3 things that you may want in a rubber
 
it's more a euro rubber with a chinese twist
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Nice going. I have checked almost all stores in my city and they don't have the above Chinese stuffs. I guess I have to wait for a while until they really know what TT players need. In my city people use Bty. Sardius and Bryce everywhere.

For the moment, do you know any other Euro/Jap rubber which is similar to Magna, Hammond Alfa and Sriver EL? Let's say Tibhar, for example. A Tibhar distributor has come in town and I'm curious about the brand.

I'm also interested in Power 40 and Dynamic 7 and wonder whether they are similar as other 7W blades like Clipper or Persson PowerPlay?
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what hardness is best for Palio HK1997? I intend to use it on my bh.

@yogi_bear    with h2 on bh and switching to skyline3 my question is: do you speed glue? Nuke
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Whoever said that Chinese rubbers don't last as long as Jap/Euro rubbers has to be out of their minds.  That is just flat out insane.  I can play Chinese rubbers for years.  I can take just about any Joola, or Donic rubber and if I get two months out of them that is a pretty pleasant suprise.  Chinese rubbers are far more durable.  As for the initial question.  If you want a chinese rubber similar to Sriver, Six Shooter is that rubber.  It's a high quality sheet, that's durable, light, non tacky, and is very lively for quite some time. 
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One more thing about Chinese rubbers is that you should not let their surface contact the air. I've tested a Globe999 by having the unused part after cutting naked to the air, and protecting the used part with a film. After 3 weeks the sticky surface of the naked part is gone, while that of protected part is still there.

After searching for Gambler's things without result, I decided to go back to Magna. Anyway I think this thread is extremely helpful for a lot of people.

So do you guys have more experiences on Chinese rubbers to share?

All I have is about Globe999 which is discussed already. I love it and have never found any incentive to change.
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Try Mark V XS
 
  It has med-soft sponge with a very grippy topsheet
  imo a very good rubber very spinny
   it is really durable also
 
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Mark V line is a way above average jap/euro rubber as it pertains to durability.  Those rubbers are very different in the way they play.  The Mark V XS is pretty much non tacky and a little faster than Globe 999 provided the Globe 999 you are playing with a typical Globe sponge.  The Globe is really tacky, and as long as you store the rubber after you play it it will stay tacky for quite a long while.  All rubbers become less effective when air stays in constant contact with the rubber.  Chinese, Jap/Euro makes no difference in this.  Always clean then store your rubbers after you play.
 
What I am saying is if you like globe 999 it's going to be very different from any euro type rubber pretty much.
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