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Jack87 
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Cole or Rob would certainly have much more experience with this, considering the wide variety of inventory they have.. and in this thread I've seen Rob mention this, and I've seen Cole allude to it in various threads, as well as on his site (colestt.com).
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Nittaku Refoma (1.5mm) Yasaka Phantom 011 (OX) |
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I prefer black for my Fh although I must admit I haven't felt any big difference. With Chinese rubbers, the black tends to be a tad tackier while the red are a tad faster. How ever, the change isn't greater between red and black then it could be between two different batches. Haven't noticed any difference at all with Euro/Jap rubbers but it is supposed to be the same difference, only less.
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ErikaT
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Posted: 09/30/2007 at 10:22pm |
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i m in singapore now, but i m not a singaporean
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ErikaT
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Posted: 09/30/2007 at 10:23pm |
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the black maybe different from the red, but it is not the dyes thats changes it
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O! Ju Qian
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you must be that same Erika then.
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pingpongrob
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I can tell you for a fact that it is the Dye, that change the characteristics of the rubber. The manufacturers have to put much more red dye to avoid transparency of the rubber. And it is the excess of this red Dye, that reduces the grippyness of the rubber.
But if you want to believe otherwise , thats fine by me.  |
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O! Ju Qian
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not everything can be 100% identical. even two of the same rubbers can feel slightly different. how hard is it for you to get the same red anyways?
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pingpongrob
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Yes we understand that, even identical twins can be very differant, What we are saying that even if the Manufacturers tried to make the red and black the same, they couldn't because of the dye's. |
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ErikaT
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Posted: 10/01/2007 at 6:26am |
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how sure a u in the comment u hav made??
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A close friend of mine is a industrial rubber chemist, thats how sure I am. |
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ErikaT
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oh i think yor friend is saying that in the dyes hav added the these 2 items 充填剂 and 增塑剂( which i only know in chinese ) inside, that can change the attributes of the rubber, but if only the dyes will not be able doing the same effect
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The dye does make a difference.
Different colour dyes like blue, green, brown and orange were all used before the colour of rubbers was standardised to red and black in the rules. The worst was orange as it was the least grippy colour. Red dye does affects the grippy nature of the rubber greater than the black dye used. As such red rubbers are slightly faster and black are grippier and spinnier. For mid distance looping a red forehand can be a benefit, whereas black is better for close to the table players and I suspect that is the reason most Chinese players prefer black on the forehand. On some nights when I've been missing shots with the red on the forehand, I've switched over to black and ended up winning games as a result. |
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mardim
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Posted: 10/01/2007 at 8:05am |
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black on the forehand. ever since
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what is what in chinese?!!?!
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Why red and black only? Why not black and yellow?
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ErikaT
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Posted: 10/01/2007 at 9:44am |
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they are 充填剂 and 增塑剂 which are used in making of rubbers
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Posted: 10/01/2007 at 10:37am |
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Great input fellas. I never knew this aspect of rubbers until this thread. So I would assume it's applicable to all rubbers Jap/Euro and Chinese as well? That the red is faster and the black is slower but grippier?
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Posted: 10/01/2007 at 11:28am |
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i like black tacky rubbers at forehand
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According to J�rgen Persson (http://jorgenpersson.nu/ques.htm) Some say that black rubbers make more spin than the red one, is this true? |
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nope... i don't agree. if you are using a euro feel rubber.. it may no matter.
if you are using the chinese topsheets... it's difficult to get red ones as tacky as the black ones in same brand.
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Well I've used just about every rubber that Donic & Andro makes, And in my opinion the blacks are definitely gripper, although not as much difference as the Chinese rubbers. In other words the difference is much more suttle. |
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I use Red on forehand but after playing these 2 rubbers for almost half a year now , I found out that my forehand rubber always die out quicker than my BH black rubber.My red rubber seems to loose its tackiness quicker/faster than my black one eventhough I RPB much during game and practice. So from my experience I think that Black chinese Rubber seems to have more lifespan than red chinese one :p
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I've noticed on Sriver FX that the red dies quicker than black.
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WEll i use black bcause it looks fancier....lol. hey alfie me to m8. i dnt have time to look at wat colors i have.. |
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