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swissping
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Posted: 01/18/2008 at 9:41am |
Hi there
My name is Roger and i develop table tennis blades since 20 years . I live in switzerland and it is very difficult to find cooperation partners here in switzerland, because i'am the only one with the know how to produce blades. Now the time is come to find a cooperation with a other company in order to optimize our production. I heard of a belgian (or french) company which manufacture great blades. Does anyone know this company? Of course also other references are very welcome. For your answers I thank you in advance! Greetings from Switzerland Roger |
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aeoliah
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Ulmo German is also producing blades in Germany.
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swissping
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Thanks for the answer. I know Uli, he is a friend of mine. Greetings Roger |
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hieupham
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are you Roger Federer?
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DHS Hurricane King FL
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cole_ely
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Sounds to me like you don't need to meet another manufacturer. What you need to do is find retail outfits to market your products.
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Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b
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swissping
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@ hieuphan: No, not Roger Feder
@ cole_ely: Your wrong! I really need a cooperation with a other manufacturer to solve a few problems in our production. |
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anixon
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Is there money in blade production? I'm just curious because I'm half-way through university and am searching for a satisfying career. I think making blades would be a rewarding job. But who are your main customers? And how can you compete with the very large companies and their production and distribution advantages?
I live in Canada, if I learned how to make blades and tried to sell them could i make a good living? Thanks |
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swissping
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@ anixon: It is a long way to learn how to "making Blades" for competition range. Our main customers are the players themselves, because we sell direct to them. We also develop blades for other brands, bud not in the large quantitys like the very large companies as butterfly, xiom, donic ...!
Our main problem as a little company is not the distribution bud it is difficult to find good raw material like (veener) or fineline veneer (colored veneer). What we are looking for is a manufacturer that takes over a few works for us; for examples productions of handles. Anixon: Making blades is a passion (im my opinion) bud, it takes you years to get the know how, because nobody will betray you the secreteat in making blades. Greetings Roger |
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swissping
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Nobody an idea or contact?
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ppgear
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Not likely. Manufacturing in Canada isn't cheap. It's more economical to simply import Chinese blades from established brands. Here you have much higher rent/labour expenses, and the market in Canada isn't even that big, relative to sports like hockey and basketball. You would have to make premium specialty blades just to get some interest, because you won't win on price. And the market here just isn't big enough to make this very profitable. |
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Trebor Renkluaf
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Usually it's the little guy who gets the good wood. A big manufacturer can't possibly be as selective about wood as an individual can because they don't have the time to inspect thousands of pieces of wood, nor can they afford throw away wood. When you are making thousands of blades, every dollar adds up. I used to think the inner plies on my mass produced blades were one piece of wood � not anymore. The big manufactures have to be efficient and use every scrap of wood they can. Those inner plies are often spliced together from many pieces of wood. What you need is a good source of wood. Try looking for sources musical instrument woods. These are usually high quality and one can be very selective. |
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swissping
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@ Trebor Renkluaf: Yes, you are right, we select every piece of wood for our blades! As well, they are all handmade with a lot of devotion! So you are completely right, the source for the wood is very important!
We had the same idea like you, using musical instrument woods. We check it out and produced a few prototyps with instrument woods. Bud these wood is not suitable for Table Tennis blades! If we could find a manufacturer who produces handles for us, we would be very happy and that would be a great assistance for us! Greetings Roger ps: By the way, your Hans Alser ist not a mass product...I have also a lot of these blades from this time...Hans Alser, Kjell Johannsson and Stellan Bengttson... |
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VH:Samba Joola
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Trebor Renkluaf
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Yes I know the older Stigas were hand made, and that is one reason they are so desireable.
BTW - Stellan Bengsston is a member of our club.
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Blade: Tibhar Samsonov Alpha
FH: Rapid 2.0 BH: Rapid 2.0 Blade: Stiga Hans Alser - 1983 FH: Yasaka Mark V Max BH: Yasaka Mark V Max |
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swissping
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Yes, the old Stigas are really good blades! Our last development is very close two this Stiga blades. For these new blades, we use a completely new way of gluing.
Oh wow Stellan Bengtsson is a member in your club, what a honor! Did you meet him personally? Last year i meet Jan Ove Waldner and his friendd J�rgen Persson. They make a Show here in Switzerland. I was impressed very much! |
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Francis
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Swissping, did you contact Dr Neubauer ?
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Hardbat is the future of table tennis!
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swissping
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Hi Francis
Thanks for your reply! I know Herbert Neubauer personally, because he plays in switzerland. Bud as far as i know are the Dr. Naubauer products are OEM Products (made for his brand). He has no factory for blades or rubbers. By the way: Do you know the brand Banco? As far as i know is athat a very known brand in france!? Greetings Roger |
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VH:Samba Joola
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chronos
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Guys I don't mean to hijack this thread, but some advice from a professional would be a big help to me. Was just looking at my nittaku violin (made with hide glue) which has WARPED due to unsufficiently dried wood possibly. The warping is quite significant on this otherwise mint blade. Is there any way to safely encourage this wood to become straight? I have heard advice of soaking the wood, but this will raise and possibly damage the grain, and the outer ply is quite thin. Any tricks you might have I really, really appreciate.
I hope you can find a connection, maybe with the swedes? The blades on the site look beautiful! |
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swissping
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@cronos: I know a way, bud it is difficult to explain, because my english is not very well...! Bud i try it:
1. You soak the blade with water 2. You clamp the wood between 2 wooden plates (with fastening clamps) 3. You heats up the blade for approximately 10 minutes on 70 degrees 4. You leaves the wood clamped for 3 weeks and lets it dry 5. finished I cannot promise that it works bud in this way I had already success. Good luck Roger |
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VH:Samba Joola
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Visse
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Interesting point chronos!
I did not know Violins warp too. Many blades I make with hide glue warp too. It is a problem and I am trying many techniques to prevent that.
Btw, swissping I make blades, check my website for more details and contact my email if necessary. I have access to many a good wood.
Recently I have switched glues because hide glue seems impossible but I will keep trying since it gives the best feel, no question about that.
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Trebor Renkluaf
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He's very low key (humble) at the club. I've chatted with him several times, but I've never really introduced myself. A former co-worker/friend is a long time member of the club and knows him failry well. They often sit together and chat during our weekly round robin tournaments and I'll join in. I'm sure he'd recognize me if he saw me at the mall or movies, but he wouldn't know my name.
I'm hoping my son, who is currently taking our clubs free peewee lesons will stick with it and merit taking lessons from Stellan in the future, but that's still a ways off.
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Blade: Tibhar Samsonov Alpha
FH: Rapid 2.0 BH: Rapid 2.0 Blade: Stiga Hans Alser - 1983 FH: Yasaka Mark V Max BH: Yasaka Mark V Max |
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swissping
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Does someone have still different ideas/suggestions?
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patrick1v
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to prevent warping i think you have to glue one layer per time this takes longer and also need your press to be perfectly level.
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