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holyfire 
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 Topic: Tuner & Glue Remover in onePosted: 05/23/2008 at 8:05am |
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I am beginning my initial assessment of what looks to be an interesting off the shelf "tuner" alternative and it doubles as a glue remover as well.
Has anyone else tried Formby's Lemon Oil Treatment?
Last night I grabbed two old sheets of rubber that I had laying around; one was BTY Ekrips and the other was Yasaka MarkV M2. I tested the Ekrips first and what I found is that the LOT (lemon oil treatment) softened up the glue build-up enough that I was able to remove it and the sponge domed up at the same time! I am thinking there is an added benefit of the LOT being friendly to the wood; after all it is a wood treatment product.
I took a before and after type of picture yesterday morning. Note that the Ekrips glue build-up has been removed and the Yasaka has not but I will do an after pic of it once I get it cleaned and tuned.
 Ok here is the Yasaka after clean up. I put a quarter next to the glue ball for perspective. Usually cleaning up old glue results in some significant sponge damage, but with the LOT, the glue came off quite easily and I had two very minor pieces of sponge bits tear off, but that was becasue I was rushing the removal of the old glue. Notice that the sponge now has a very nice dome about half an inch.
 I will glue up both sheets and test them at lunch time later on this morning.
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speaquinox
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Posted: 05/23/2008 at 9:44am |
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Most tuners do the same old glue softening thing. Nothing new. I apply one layer of CTE before removal. |
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holyfire
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Posted: 05/23/2008 at 10:17am |
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Formby's Lemon Oil Treatment = $5USD vs Tibhar CTE = $40USD.
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hhca
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Posted: 05/23/2008 at 12:12pm |
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where did you get this LOT thing? What is it intended to do other than tuning rubber?
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holyfire
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Posted: 05/23/2008 at 12:25pm |
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It is actually used to polish wood. But I have been looking for something cheaper to use for a tuner besides the $40 name brand table tennis stuff and since paraffin oil (PO) is one of the ingredients in lemon oil treatment (LOT), i figured I would give it a try and reivew it here.
I had no idea that you could also use it to remove glue build-up. I had been using Bestine for that and I didn't like the results I was getting from that stuff; besides it goes for $9 a can and it evaporates really fast.
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Posted: 05/23/2008 at 6:55pm |
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You can do the same thing with PO for $4 for 32 oz.
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Valentine
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Posted: 05/24/2008 at 8:41am |
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How long did it take you to get that dome? I tried some Dunlop 65 lemon oil I had at home (which is used to treat guitar fretboards), it softened the buildup in just 5 minutes. I removed the glue and put another layer, but still no dome. Did you play with the rubber? How does it feel?
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holyfire
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Posted: 05/24/2008 at 9:21am |
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It started doming after about an hour. I played both sheets on Friday and I was very pleased with the speed and spin that I got out of the rubbers. Both of these sheets were at least a year old and they played like new again. Unfortunately there was no click from either sheet but I can tell you I was able to loop and loop-drive with them, smashing was deadly fast, and pushes were by my opponents before they even knew what was happening. I did notice that when I pulled the Ekrips from the blade that I had been using it on there was some loss of the dome, so I don't know how long the effect will actually last. I don't use speed glue and I don't store in air-tight containers so that might account for some of the loss.
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Valentine
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Posted: 05/25/2008 at 10:25am |
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Well, checked again this morning and the old Sriver fx had a really nice dome 24 hours after the second layer. Haven't played with it though but it looks promising.
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Posted: 05/25/2008 at 10:56am |
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how long do you wait for the glue to soften before you remove it? how did you remove it?
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Valentine
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Posted: 05/25/2008 at 11:29am |
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In a couple of minutes the glue turned into some kind of goo. You can roll it off with your finger, but it was a total mess. I prefer to peel it off when it's dry. This sriver had almost no buildup so I let it stay.
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Posted: 05/25/2008 at 4:17pm |
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I waited 24 hours. That allowed some evaporation of the fluid and the glue dried somewhat as well. If it is too gooey then continue to wait, it will finally get to a point where it can be rolled. If you use industial paper towels you can easily wipe off excess glue and oil.
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Posted: 05/25/2008 at 7:05pm |
Did the dome occur a same time the excess gooey glue was removed? Also, how long after did you reglue rubber to paddle/ Doming did not look excessive in after picture, so I imagine no problem regluing? |
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Posted: 05/25/2008 at 9:05pm |
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The dome starts as soon as the LOT can penetrate the sponge and getting the excess glue off of the surface does help the dome effect. I would imagine the dome would continue to grow with more applications of the LOT but I only put about 3 - 5 applications because I was afraid too much of the LOT would prevent the glue from adhering the rubber to the blade. The only gluing problem that I experienced was on a sealed blade where the edge of the rubber tended to pull away from the blade edge.
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Valentine
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Posted: 05/26/2008 at 6:53am |
 Here's the Sriver fx 24 hr after second layer. Had some trouble sticking it to the blade though, the sponge was too oily. Couldn't play with it yet but it feels pretty bouncy. By the way, does anyone know if this will pass the Enez test? I don't know but this stuff may contain d-limonene, which I think is a banned solvent. |
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Posted: 05/26/2008 at 7:43am |
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Be sure to wipe the sponge thoroughly with an absorbent towel. I used the industial paper that you find on large paper towel rolls. Keep flipping the paper to clean (oil free) areas. You do not need to press very hard just be sure to try to get all the seepage off of the top of the sponge. Here's the MSDS link:
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Posted: 05/31/2008 at 4:21pm |
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I was also wondering if this past the Enez-test?
Also what other things can i use to get glue off of my rubber that will pass the enez-test? srry for changing the subject a bit. |
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Posted: 05/31/2008 at 5:45pm |
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I would also like to know it.
To me, the best way to remove the glue is by peeling it off (I'm sure there are lots of threads about this). Best time to do it is after training. Be sure to have a good glue job, train a couple of hours, and then the glue will be dry enough to peel it. Be sure to pull towards you not towards the rubber. However if you use VOC glues you won't pass the Enez test anyways. By the way, it's been 6 or 7 days and the rubbers are still curled like crazy, but still didn't have any practice partner to try them  . |
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