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liXiao 
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 Topic: Why play with SPs on BH for defense?Posted: 06/28/2008 at 3:11pm |
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Now there are a few pros out there who use, not long pips, but short pips on their BH. Players that use this technique (that I know of) are Fan Ying, Hou Yingchao and Ding Song. Now tis is clearly something more popular in China than other countries with defenders, but what are the advantages of this? What are the disadvantages? Why don't more pros use it?
* Just to note, Hou Yinghao and Ding Song use RITC 802 while Fan is using either 802 or 802-40~ |
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Posted: 06/28/2008 at 4:51pm |
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easier to vary the spin but you have less control
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Posted: 06/28/2008 at 5:22pm |
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I just ordered a sheet of SP from tommy.
I am going to experiment with it... I was actually thinking of putting it on my FH because my backhand is solid (for an unrated crap player). Not sure what blade to slap it on. Got a few to choose from: but I think it will go on a handle filled wavestone. with some geospin tacky on the other side. This is a great article I found: http://tabletennis.about.com/od/basicconcepts/a/play_short_pips.htm I think the biggest concept here is the ability to hit through spin and deliver a fast relatively spin less ball, but the 802.40 with a bigger sponge allows for almost inverted like play-- from what I gather. There is apparently a bit of deception as well. So if your backhand (or FH) is maybe not your best stroke, using SP may be able to help deal with lots of spin a bit better and confuse or put off balance some players. Experienced players will know how to attack you by delivering varied spin loops to your BH and giving you dead balls that you might have trouble lifting. Again, this is all that I have been able to gather: I wil get my shet soon and can tell you more from my experience. |
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Posted: 06/28/2008 at 8:19pm |
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you can continue the spin better and hit with it.
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Posted: 06/28/2008 at 8:43pm |
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It seems thought that only China has produced these short pip defenders~
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Posted: 06/28/2008 at 9:03pm |
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With long pips you cannot easily create underspin against underspin, with short pips you can.
It is easier to vary spin on your chops against topspin with sp, once you learn to do it, that is. Attack against top spin is more stable with sp than lp. Sp usually don't break as quickly as lp. For many, it is easier to vary spin on serves with sp than it is with inverted or, of course, lp. In short, sp are more versatile than lp. |
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Posted: 06/28/2008 at 9:23pm |
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Pros as a SP defender
-Spin manipulation
-Attacking ability
-Quite unknown to many players
Cons
-Control is a big problem until the stroke and experience is gathered
-Although can manipulate spin, the level of backspin on chops is not as strong as LP's
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 6:29am |
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Omoshiroi desu!
Conversely, why play with LPs on BH for attacking?  BTW, LiXiao, you changed your dream setup again?! |
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To test: Yasaka Offensive Gatien 7-ply: Bryce(FH) + Moristo-SP 1.9(BH) *sealing atm* |
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 10:48am |
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Yes I can't decide what want, even this might not be finalized~
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 11:10am |
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One thing you pple missed out. Its fast at flat hits and it produces downward spin effect when you flat hit with it. With good control, you can even flathit loops.. though i have never managed to do it. Not that i am an SP player anyway.
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 11:33am |
About LP's for attacking.
It produces no-spin blocks which usually gives pop-ups from the opponent.
I think that's the main reason for people to use LP for attacking..
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 11:56am |
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E.G. Haruna Fukuoka~
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 6:54pm |
Yeah... I am thinking of playing a little like her, maybe in between her and Fukuhara in style if it is possible... |
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To test: Yasaka Offensive Gatien 7-ply: Bryce(FH) + Moristo-SP 1.9(BH) *sealing atm* |
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Posted: 06/29/2008 at 6:56pm |
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Well Fukuhara uses M-pips plus sponge, while Fukuoka uses OX Lp's. Fukuhara has better attacking, but Fukuoka;s blocks set make easy set ups for her FH~
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Posted: 06/30/2008 at 12:53am |
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What SP is recommended for jpen no RPB? |
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Posted: 06/30/2008 at 2:55am |
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I have a chopper at my club that often switches between SP and LP on the BH side.
With SP he creates tremendous confusion with his chops, from light underspin to fairly heacy underspin. He can also easily attack with it.
With LP his chops against loops are heavier than with the SP, but there was less spin variation. However, the balls stay lower to the net. Also, pushes against underspin are less heavy. His attack was also less consistemt.
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Posted: 06/30/2008 at 10:11am |
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With SPs, you can have variety of strokes and thus variety of spins to keep the opponents from easy attack, and more advantages for you to attack.
I have experimented some Short Pips before. However, I prefer long pips because a very good chopped ball is equivalent
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