Rubber Decision...and the winner is Tenergy!

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I have two Xiom Control Series 3, Carbon Aramid - Kiso Hinoki Blades, 
 ALL+ 1st generation;  ST handles one is 82g and one is 86g

Here are dimensions: 159x150x6.5mm Handle adds 100mm
http://www.aallpaints.com.au/shop/images/XIOM_Control_All+_Graph.gif

5 Plys: 1st-Hinoki (1.4mm),  2nd-Aramid Carbon, Middle- Kiri?
http://www.affordablett.com.au/forum/download.php?id=11&t=1 (close-up avail. here: http://www.affordablett.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=81)

This blade plays like an ALL blade on passive shots (blocks and touch shots) and more like an OFF- (depends on rubber) on more active shots (top-spin and smash).

The outer ply is medium hard and the aramid-carbon provides stability and a larger sweet spot and also helps with speed -- but absorbs speed and spin on blocks -- really cool and I like it a lot. (say it like Forest Gump) Slightly head heavy, but it does not bother me at all. Very satisfying "thwock" sound when hitting, and I have been asked a number of times if I am gluing with this setup based on the click sound (I used same rubbers on Andro KCA and sounded dead by comparison)

So I am using Andro Roxon 450 2.3 on FH and Andro Impuls Speed Max ~20 degrees on BH

I like the Andro rubbers and I want to stick with them for a while. But I am considering maybe trying some of Butterfly's (Tenergy) or Xiom's (Omega II Euro) rubbers. Or maybe even Bigslam as was suggested by the another owner of this blade. Still others have played this blade with CTE treated H3 Provincial and liked it. And most have said softer rubbers are better.

Wondering given the blade's properties, what would be a good match???-- knowing I typically like a softer sponge, but willing to try something more medium like the Roxon 450 ~30degrees

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dauntless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 10/06/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1471	Post Options Post Reply Quote dauntless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Rubber Decision...and the winner is Tenergy! Posted: 08/15/2008 at 6:43pm
	I have two Xiom Control Series 3, Carbon Aramid - Kiso Hinoki Blades, ALL+ 1st generation; ST handles one is 82g and one is 86g Here are dimensions: 159x150x6.5mm Handle adds 100mm http://www.aallpaints.com.au/shop/images/XIOM_Control_All+_Graph.gif 5 Plys: 1st-Hinoki (1.4mm), 2nd-Aramid Carbon, Middle- Kiri? http://www.affordablett.com.au/forum/download.php?id=11&t=1 (close-up avail. here: http://www.affordablett.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=81) This blade plays like an ALL blade on passive shots (blocks and touch shots) and more like an OFF- (depends on rubber) on more active shots (top-spin and smash). The outer ply is medium hard and the aramid-carbon provides stability and a larger sweet spot and also helps with speed -- but absorbs speed and spin on blocks -- really cool and I like it a lot. (say it like Forest Gump) Slightly head heavy, but it does not bother me at all. Very satisfying "thwock" sound when hitting, and I have been asked a number of times if I am gluing with this setup based on the click sound (I used same rubbers on Andro KCA and sounded dead by comparison) So I am using Andro Roxon 450 2.3 on FH and Andro Impuls Speed Max ~20 degrees on BH I like the Andro rubbers and I want to stick with them for a while. But I am considering maybe trying some of Butterfly's (Tenergy) or Xiom's (Omega II Euro) rubbers. Or maybe even Bigslam as was suggested by the another owner of this blade. Still others have played this blade with CTE treated H3 Provincial and liked it. And most have said softer rubbers are better. Wondering given the blade's properties, what would be a good match???-- knowing I typically like a softer sponge, but willing to try something more medium like the Roxon 450 ~30degrees
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DeathAngel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 02/10/2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1015	Post Options Post Reply Quote DeathAngel Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08/15/2008 at 6:48pm
	maybe try Bryce Speed FX or Tnergy as u already meantioned.
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dauntless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 10/06/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1471	Post Options Post Reply Quote dauntless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08/15/2008 at 7:02pm
	Seems like tenergy is gaining some popularity, does it warrant all the attention? Is the sponge soft?
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t3h anarchist Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 08/05/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 279	Post Options Post Reply Quote t3h anarchist Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08/16/2008 at 12:31am
	i would recommend bryce speed fx as well


lildudejds Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 02/27/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1503	Post Options Post Reply Quote lildudejds Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08/16/2008 at 1:05am
	Tenergy and Bryce speed FX are like completely different. Tenergy - Hard (doesn't feel too hard though when you play with it), high throw, extremely grippy BS FX - pretty soft, it seemed I was getting a really low throw.
	Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX

dauntless Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 10/06/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1471	Post Options Post Reply Quote dauntless Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10/02/2008 at 3:40pm
	Ok, this is related to this post: http://www.mytabletennis.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21260&PID Seahorse has an awesome description of Tenergy for those used to Roxon. So I am going to try Tenergy for shizzle. But if (and this is a BIG if) I was going to try to replicate the Xiom blade with similar dimensions and material layers in a Butterfly offering, what would it be? I was thinking the Maze or New Timo Boll series(maybe the ZL). Any thoughts considering dimensions and properties above?
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