I found out what 450 means on the Roxon!

Roxon 450 means that your strokes will land as long as your racket angle is above 45 degrees, thus a Euro stroke works nicely. As you close your blade angle, some freakish quantum mechanics take over and you've got yourself an anti-spin rubber.

I hope the 500 doesn't mean 50 degrees! But I suppose it's possible since it has a harder sponge.

what?! 450 is 45 degrees, 500 is 50 degrees!

gekogark1212 wrote: BKTT wrote: what?! 450 is 45 degrees, 500 is 50 degrees! Yes, the sponge hardness is indicated by the number, I was merely using it as a parody to express my disdain for its lack of brush looping ability

hehe

what about roxon 0? uh oh, how are u gonna do that huh?!!?!

After I played some Roxon's for a while I assume 450 / 500 stands for the amount of money you have to invest per season in buying new Roxons. Never had a rubber which lost so quick its good surface...

Pjotr wrote: theman wrote: what about roxon 0? uh oh, how are u gonna do that huh?!!?! Is the same as the 1800, but on the BH side ;)

u r a cheeky smart boy arent ya

How long it last Dauntless? I start to play half 1 hour only, the surface seems has tiny chips. smaller than full stop mark.

gekogark1212 wrote: ... Yes, the sponge hardness is indicated by the number, I was merely using it as a parody to express my disdain for its lack of brush looping ability

peter79 wrote: How long it last Dauntless? I start to play half 1 hour only, the surface seems has tiny chips. smaller than full stop mark.

Sadly I must say that it really does not last that long. I try to take good care, but after about 3 months all of the juice is gone out of the rubber. Probably it last about 6 weeks... but your mileage may vary.

There is no way Roxon 450 is 45 degree, maybe 45 degrees before the inbuilt effect. I mean the rubber is fairly soft. It is not super hard or anything.
38-40 degree Chinese rubber is WAY harder than Roxon.

haggisv wrote: varghesep wrote: gekogark1212 wrote: ... Yes, the sponge hardness is indicated by the number, I was merely using it as a parody to express my disdain for its lack of brush looping ability   When you have said brush looping, where are you hitting on the ball? At the top with 0 degree? I don't understand what you mean by "At the top with 0 degree"???

@varghesep: yes, but I didn't even get close to 0 degree (maybe 30 or 20 degrees) when the 450 started to skid and the ball consequently dropping.

I must say, even now, I've only seen Zeta in its first week of use being able to brush-loop, that rubber bites like nothing else, but unfortunately wears out too quickly.

@haggisv: the "0 degree" loop, is the supposedly text book method of brush looping to get the ball to kick and drop on 2nd bounce. Chinese rubbers and glued Srivers (and other rubbers that bite) were really good at this.

Imagine you served light backspin and your opponent has returned it carelessly with little backspin, the ball will bounce twice on your side, but the 2nd bounce will be on the endline. However the ball is rather low, this is where you need that "0 degree loop".

gekogark1212 wrote: Roxon 450 means that your strokes will land as long as your racket angle is above 45 degrees, thus a Euro stroke works nicely. As you close your blade angle, some freakish quantum mechanics take over and you've got yourself an anti-spin rubber. I hope the 500 doesn't mean 50 degrees! But I suppose it's possible since it has a harder sponge.