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edohD 
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With the new glue ban and the Enez machine, which glue should I use to glue topsheets to sponge? All the glue I found that will give me an even surface have voc in it. I tried using FreeChack but it doesn't stick very well and it's not very even. What are the topsheet gluers using nowadays?
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edohD
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Posted: 09/29/2008 at 1:52am |
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I tried some epoxy and silicon glue but they dry too fast and they don't give you a very even surface.
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Posted: 09/29/2008 at 2:07am |
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Continue to use the method you have been using. You just have to air your final product to get rid of the VOC.
Rubbers made in the factory are glued with VOC glue. That's why ITTF advices players to air their new rubbers. |
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SimonStaton
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Posted: 09/29/2008 at 5:15am |
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epoxy I would have to say
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Posted: 09/29/2008 at 11:38am |
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Epoxy? What kind are you using? Hopefully its very very soft after curing. If it dosnt...and dries hard....you just changed the effects terribly.
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edohD
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 12:32am |
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I agree, I used some industrial epoxy but it was too thick and when I spread it thin enough it won't stick very well to the pips of the topsheet. plus it dries hard... so it feels bad. and since it doesn't have a strong bond (because there isn't enough surface on the pips) it comes off when I loop hard.
so I am wondering if anyone know what to use. I don't want to use the old fashion way because there is no guarantee that it will pass the Enez test even if I air it. |
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 12:33am |
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ask Cole or check out his site for a clip on how to . . .
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 12:37am |
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Epoxy is no good. Dries Hard.
"Contact Cement" works just like "Rubber Cement" but is Permenent. It stays flexible like rubber cement but you will NOT get it apart if you use it correctly. Every pip will pull sponge off.  |
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 11:16am |
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what kind of contact cement? can you give me a picture? I'll try it.
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edohD
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 11:11pm |
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well, is contact cement going to set off Enez? if it does then there is no point.
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edohD
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 11:14pm |
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I think I have seen some contact cements in walmart. might be close to the bicycle aisle. It was in a dark brown bottle.
I remember it was very thick. and permanent... so once you glue the topsheet to the sponge there will be no hope of re-using the sponge. |
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Posted: 09/30/2008 at 11:41pm |
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Hi Cole,
I will take a look tomorrow. Not sure of the brand but will recognize it when I see it. @edohD, Contact cement drys by the VOCs evaporating just like rubber cement so if aired, it will probably pass. Could not answer that one for sure though. |
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Posted: 10/01/2008 at 12:01am |
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The glue should be elastic when dry, otherwise playability will suffer. So no Epoxy, stick to latex based glue.
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edohD
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 2:31am |
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The perfect glue should have strong bond, vaporizes after glue and contains no voc... but the ones I found that vaporizes are all voc glues.
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 2:33am |
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one of these days someone is going to find out...
Check this out, check this out... if you put some lime juice on the rubber, plus some pool cleaners and some vodka, then put the rubber in microwave and cook it for 10 minutes... you will get super playability and crazy spin and speed. |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 8:28am |
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If the enez is THAT sensitive that it picks up rubber cement after a week, then it's going to be too sensitive and a huge % of rubbers will fail. There will be a major backlash. I think the ITTF is on the verge of creating a panic here, or at least some paranoia.
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Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b
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edohD
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 6:12pm |
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I read somewhere that the Enez cannot determine how much voc is present... What I read (forgot where) said that it only determines IF voc is present.
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 7:08pm |
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edohD,,,
You know you are going to have a whole bunch of people trying that out now, don't you? LOL |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 7:42pm |
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anybody ever tried to use glue sheets to glue sponge and topsheet together? |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 7:51pm |
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I put Dr Evil OX on a .6m sponge with a glue sheet. It lost it's Evil qualities and got faster.
Glue sheets have a thin layer of plastic inside the glue. I think it does not streach so makes a harder layer than just glue. Never tried it with a pips in rubber. As far as working, it held very well. |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 8:19pm |
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cole's method (http://www.colestt.com/howto.php#combining see clip on his web site) works great.
I tried a couple years ago to use that method to make a tensor by stappling a topsheet on a piece of plywood (pips up) after stretching it.
I glued the sponge on it and it lasted a week or so (played faster of course). It started to go havoc on random spots.
I am sure that wiith a glue sheet it would work for much longer.
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Posted: 10/04/2008 at 3:21am |
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lol, they are already trying that... hmm, maybe pour gasoline on the sponge... and then put it in the freezer for a day or so... and then cook it on the stove right after you take it out... the combustion of gas on cold sponge will make good lasting super rubber... <- kidding of course.
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Posted: 10/04/2008 at 3:27am |
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gasoline on the sponge does not expand anything but the conscience of my poor chemistry skills.
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Posted: 10/04/2008 at 3:30am |
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