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dauntless 
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 Topic: Xiom Control 3 All+, give up Roxon?Posted: 10/01/2008 at 5:29pm |
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Been playing with this blade for almost a year now and I still like it very much.
So much so I bought another one for backup. (traded Andro KCA actually) Put Roxon 2.3 on it both sides and I really have done well with this combo. I like the throw angle, I like the grip and spin of the rubber, I also like the serves... I mean it has been night and day with this combo now that I have some serves and pushes. But, alas the Roxon is getting a little worn out after 3-4 months of mellow play, and I made the mistake of cleaning it ALOT. It is still very serviceable, but it is time to ask whether any of the other offerings out there will compare or do I just get more sheets of Roxon. So I know there are tons of posts with comparisons, but I am asking for MY blade, what everyone thinks would go well. Blade is five layers, hinoki outers, CA and then Kiri, it is medium hard, but is a stable blade (except on blocks, still not mastered that) I have tried EGP 2.0; Andro Impuls Speed, Roxon I like Roxon the best so far, but EGP was best at blocks, Impuls Speed had tons of control, but had the tensor pop up (also EGP did too) So I would be looking at Pryde, Roxon, Tenergy, Platin, and any other suggestions? Thanks in advance!  |
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JimT
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Posted: 10/01/2008 at 5:33pm |
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Why exactly you like expensive rubbers so much? or did you specifically restrict your choice to euro-type tensors only?
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dauntless
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Posted: 10/01/2008 at 5:59pm |
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Well I have tried Dawei Quattro and it seemed very hard compared to those mentioned above, tried Palio custom sheet from Cole that was supposed to be softer didn't like it much. Tried some sheets from friendship 729, and it was OK, but still not what I like. They all seem to be very hard as opposed to the tensors that have a good feeling, and with Roxon, it seems to be the best I have tried so far out of all of them. I used to play with Sriver EL as well. I also recently tried some reactor rubber from Mel and it was OK but again it was too hard.
I don't price the stuff, I just know what I am used to and what has been working for me. I bought the Roxon on a combo special and paid like $29 a sheet for it, and re-sold the blade...so I didn't spend tons on it. Oh, I also have tried six shooter, and it was OK but not to much spin for me and it just seemed average...kinda like a wanna be sriver EL but harder. I would like to try the Dawei Inspirit Quattro 1.8 you have in your sig. if it is light and soft... that is one Chinese rubber I might try. I am not a total snob about it, I just think I get more for my money when I buy the German stuff. I would love to be proven wrong on this as I could use all the help I can get with the old pocketbook. |
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Nutriment6464
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Posted: 10/01/2008 at 8:08pm |
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From what I've heard Tenergy would be a great choice, but you would lack power from mid to far distance, but the durability is good. The next rubber might be Boos tc, and if you need info on it, just look at the thread for it. The throw angle is a little low, unfortunately for you, but the power from al distances is there, and the rubber is very light and i suppose to last very long. Nice click sound too, but like I said, it is soft so that's rather normal. Tenergy has more spin that boost, however.
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seahorse
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Posted: 10/01/2008 at 10:17pm |
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I have recently made the change from Roxon 450 2mm both sides on an Acoustic to Tenergy 2.1mm both sides. I liked the Roxons very much as I was on my second set in a row, first time I have replaced the same rubbers). I have never tried your blade, only on Acoustic, but from what you describe the Acoustic is similar in that it is 5 ply wood and I would say it is a medium-stiff blade. I have been using Tenergy for about 3 weeks and this is what I have found so far: One main reason I changed is that I was looking for a rubber with a bit more control and dwell time on the back hand for flicks and rolls, I found the sponge of Roxon a little bit hard on the Acoustic which is quite stiff. I am not sure if the Tenergy has a softer sponge than the Roxon, but it certainly has a softer feel. The Roxon is excellent for loop driving, which is a main part of my game, but I have a lot of difficulty with slower spinny loops which I am now trying to add to my game. The ball seems to slide off the Roxon, I have read somewhere else that someone had the same experience. This is not a problem with the Tenergy as so far it seems to brush loop and loop drive very well. Serving with Roxon is very good, serving with Tenergy is excellent. Tenergy seems to be able to generate a bit more spin than Roxon with a lot less effort. Tenergy both sides of Acoustic ST works out to be 183grams and is a little head heavy (which is how I like my blades) and feels very solid blocking and pushing. With light set ups I feel like I need to put a lot more energy with a bigger swing to speed up the shot, with this set up the same result can be had with more compact swing and quicker recovery. I have not experienced any lack of power from mid distance and actually find the Tenerey more reliable from further as it dips more towards the table when swinging harder. I have noticed the real spring effect of the Tenergy further back from the table. Just my 2 cents, hope it can shed some light. |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 12:08am |
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Since you like them softer - try Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight SV (soft version). And yes you are right - I use Six Shooter as a replacement for Sriver EL and I think it does the job. |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 3:08pm |
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Dawei Inspirit Quattro Ultralight SV looks pretty cool. Cole gives it high marks on his site...that is encouraging.
I am probably going to try both the Tenergy and the IQ UL SV. I have a little more faith in the BTY offering, as I am biased more towards name-brands... but Dawei is pretty solid-- I had a Wavstone that I filled in and liked it pretty well, and I know a lot of guys on the forum use IQ in some form. Thanks JimT for your comments... does the IQ UL work wel on Hinoki Outers kinda medium feel? |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 3:33pm |
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Dude! Great news. So far, I also love the Roxon... now to hear you say that you are liking Tenergy even more in some respects, I am stoked. I have been reading all the rave reviews on Tenergy... and been kinda skeptical since usually the hype is exactly that --> HYPE! Roxon is the first rubber that mostly lived up to my expectations and exceeded them in some ways (service, pushing) and as such I am hesitant to change AGAIN. After reading your comments I have to say I am excited about Tenergy. Folks are saying it is high throw... whereas Roxon seems relatively low. Did you find it hard to adjust? How long did it take to adjust? On pushes, which is superior? Straight hitting has been a bit harder for me with Roxon -- Impuls Speed was superior here -- but that is because it has heaps of control and not as much reactive spin, and also it was a thinner sponge. Brush looping is a bit of a problem with Roxon. I have recently been working on loops a lot. I have not been able to successfully do a REALLY spinny loop unless I was mid distance, swinging lower than normal and a really powerful upwards and slightly forwards loop. If I go straight up, it goes in the net or if I am brushing it, it just kinda slides downwards. Seems like fron your comments Tenergy is better here. If I do go to Tenergy, 2.1 is what I was thinking... I am used to 2.3 even though it is too much for me. How does Tenergy seem to be holding up over time? |
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Posted: 10/02/2008 at 10:55pm |
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The Tenergy does have a higher throw than the Roxon. It didn�t take too long to adjust. I used Tenergy for the first time last week in a club match and felt very confident going for shots, my loops were causing the opposition more problems as I could vary the spin much more.
I have more confidence with the Tenergy because I know the ball will dip more than the Roxon . The Roxon is great from Mid distance with loop drives and close to the table with blocking and pushing. Roxon pushes stay low and are quite fast, Tenergy pushes have a little more catapult effect due to spring sponge I guess, it will take a little adjustment but nothing major. Roxon is also great for counter hitting. Looping close to the table is one of the problems I have with the Roxon because it is difficult to do slow spinny/brush loops. It is much easier to open with a spinny loop or flick/roll close to or over the table with Tenergy.
In the league I play in people like to push a lot which bores me to death and I have been looking for a rubber which has good control over the table for attacking serves and opening with topspin against the push-a-thoners while also providing enough power from mid distance. Tenergy so far is the only rubber I have found that gives me all of these attributes.
I have only been using Tenergy for 3 weeks now and haven�t noticed any change to rubber, probably too early to tell. 2.1 should be fine for Tenergy, I was using 2mm in Roxon and only now and then would it bottom out, haven�t had that problem with Tenergy yet.
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Posted: 10/03/2008 at 2:28am |
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Have you tryed Roxon 500? |
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