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poor_newb
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Posted: 10/17/2008 at 1:06am |
What is the most spiniest possible rubber for serving? What topsheet, thickness, hardness is ideal for serving?
Note that I don't care about anything else besides serving for this discussion. |
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theman
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sticky rubbers, geospin tacky
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DeathAngel
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TACKY!!!!!!
Tenergy is pretty spiny 2 for serves, but TACKY!!!!! is probably the best. |
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poor_newb
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tacky chinese topsheets are nice, but what about the sponge?
would a soft dead slow sponge produce more spin than hard chinese sponges by increasing dwell time? Maybe a softer topsheet may help as well? |
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dragon kid
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the spinniest rubber for serving that i ever used was Hurricane 3..
With the right technique it has unbelievable spin.. Geospin Tacky works well too.. |
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bbkon
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if your looking for a rubber to make spinny serves then you dont know how to serve,,better spend that $ in a good coach |
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Wheelie
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Generally I would say tacky chinese stuff - my favourite of all time being Black 729 Cream MRS.
However, I have recently discovered that the non-tacky topsheet on Tibhar Super Defense 40 produces the most spin ever on my serves, yes even more than the tacky Chinese stuff. The topsheet is VERY soft and thin. @Cole Ely if you have nothing better to do with your time try removing this topsheet and putting it on a Quattro sponge. Maybe this will be even better than UL??? |
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JKC
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It could well be, but it would cost significantly more too.
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poor_newb
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I'm not looking for a rubber to just make a serve, I'm looking for a rubber to make the spiniest possible serve, even with perfect technique the spin still depends on the rubber |
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popperlocker
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ideal serving rubber depends upon yourself, serving with tacky and untacky rubber requires different techniques. You may be good with one rubber and blow with another, and another person may be opposite. So my advice is to try a really tacky rubber, mid tacky, and non tacky rubber. and see which works for you. but to answer your question, rubber with the spiniest possible serve is probably h3 or very tacky 729 rubbers
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doraemon
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Wow BBKON, it seems that nothing positive coming from you.
While spinniest serves are good, it is the deception that I think more important. I don't have much experience with tacky rubbers, but using H3, my serves have more bites/kicks. I can produce similar path side-spin serves that turn almost 90 degrees (with Mark V unglued), but with H3 unglued, although it goes similar path, but it seems that it has more RPM in it. |
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dragon kid
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My Tenergy 05 don't even come close to my H3 regarding the spin they produces on serves.. I have to throw the ball much higher to get more spin from my Tenergy, it's close, but still it doesn't reach the same spin level as my H3. |
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mwyatt
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Surely a LACK of spin on a serve is just as beneficial as maximum spin. I think a rubber which offers you different gears and an ability to vary your serve spin speed would be most beneficial.
Remember the goal is to get the return as high as possible in a predictable position. doraemon got it right on the deception comment. |
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Klaus123
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For serve, push, chop low dynamic rubbers are better. For topspin, drive, block, shot high dynamic rubbers are better. With Tackifire C for example i could serve spinny and short.
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satthu
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IMO, H3 is pretty spinny for serving but not much spinnier compare to sriver/mark v/mendo mp. But keep in mind that timing, placement and varying speed/spin (even no spin) are key elements to good serves. The more spin you serve, the more spin it comes back :) Just my 2 cents.
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sadius
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bowebj
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bbkon is a terrorist hiding in the mountains playing tt with osama on rock tables using floor tiles as a paddle. thats why he never has nething positive to say.
i agree with tacky rubbers being best to serve with.
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The Shakehander
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imo; the "ideal" serving rubber shouldn't be the "spinniest", because sometimes you want very little spin on serves just enough to keep it on the table, part of the "illusion" of showing one service motion.
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Nutriment6464
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Nah he didn't ask the ideal one... he just asked the spinniest one...
Also, If you want to put lot of spin into the ball, the blade will change a lot too, but the technique is DA thing that influence serving capacity. Try a clipper with h3 or geospin tacky... You'll serve like a devil!
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varghesep
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It depends on the technique. Does he have more arm speed or wrist speed?
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packtim
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Would it not be, in theory, a slow blade (=max dwell time) with a sticky rubber (& possibly a soft sponge)
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JKC
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Since the glue ban my favourite serving rubber has been LKT Rapid Sound. Lots of dwell due to the softness so it allows you to load up the spin. Didn't think I would find anything that served this well after glue.
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Totoro
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Sticky rubbers...Chinese rubbers
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