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Totoro 
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 Topic: Blades for loopingPosted: 10/26/2008 at 4:09pm |
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Just a quick question that is really stupid and noob.
Are softer blades with better feel GENERALLY better for looping?
I emphasise GENERALLY because all the EJs would flame me O_O.
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varghesep
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 4:23pm |
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You may probably receive thousands of answers for your quick question
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Totoro
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 4:32pm |
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LOL I know...
But are they?
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sprite
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 4:56pm |
Yes, they are generally better for looping.
That does not mean they are necessarily better for winning points, however!
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Schlager
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 7:29pm |
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The best loopers in the world (who play european style), like Timo Boll etc. all use stiff wood or carbon blades of some kind (arylate/carbon etc.)
Edit: I just noticed that I had left out "or wood" in this post..
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 7:54pm |
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Again I need to reiterate that soft is not the opposite of stiff.
Soft is the opposite of hard, usually used to describe the feel of the blade. Stiff is the opposite of flexible, usually used to describe the flexibility of the blade. Now, in general, to be a good looping blade, a blade needs to have good dwell time. This dwell time is achieved through (a) soft feel / surface and/or (b) flexibility. So, good looping blades (high dwell time blade) are blades: (a) Soft in feel, while the blade itself can be stiff or flexible. Soft flexible blade will have more dwell time compared to soft stiff blade. (b) Hard in feel but the blade itself is flexible. Although the blade feel is hard, but the flexibility has this "holding" on the ball on impact, thus creates good dwell time and trampoline effect. |
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haggisv
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 7:57pm |
Excellent answer, I agree (in general  )! |
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Schlager
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 8:21pm |
Again I have to explain that carbon doesn't exactly make a blade soft..
Timo Boll used a TBS for a long time. It has quite thin outer plies over the arylate/carbon. It is stiff and has arylate/carbon (which makes it hard)
And I probably have to explain my point. In general, softer/more flexible blades are better for looping, but still some of the best loopers in the world use stiff and hard blades, and it seems to be working out quite ok for them..
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doraemon
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 8:33pm |
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Schlager, I agree with your statement that some of the best loopers use stiff and hard blades. It can be done, but we are talking about "ideal" looping blades.
Now considering TBS, although carbon will surely make it harder, arylate dampens the feel, making it feel softer, thus arylate/carbon blades are supposed to have more dwell time compared to ordinary carbon blades. How about Schlager Carbon, which is stiff and hard, and Schlager himself does not seem to have difficulties in looping. Well, let's not forget that he has good technique (which matters the most) and let's not forget that soft, heavily glued rubbers will help us looping when using hard stiff blade. EDIT: I forgot to add that while carbon blade is usually stiff and hard, a stiff wood can have soft feel/surface, thus good for looping. But I guess you are referring to stiff and hard wood blades here. |
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haggisv
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 8:40pm |
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I think you both agree with each other are are saying pretty much the same thing.... there are always exception to every rule...
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Schlager
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 8:44pm |
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"What's the best blade for looping?" That must be the blade that produces the best loops. The best loopers in the world use stiff, hard and fast blades.. What's the blade that's easiest to loop with? Now that's soft, flexible blades with long dwell time..
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doraemon
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 9:22pm |
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I agree that the easiest blades to loop with are soft flexible blades.
What I don't agree is that if a world class player uses a certain blade, thus it becomes the best blade. Following your statement, it means that few years ago the best blade ever invented will be OC-CR because WLQ uses it to the greatest effect, either for loop, hit, short game, etc. and now the best blade will be YEO because Ma Lin uses it. It's the players, not the equipments. I believe that Timo Boll can loop with TBS, Boll Forte and even Boll All+. And we talk about "ideal" looping blades, while there are always exceptions to the rule, as Haggisv stated. However, I can follow your logic, which says that when world class loopers (which certainly know what they are doing) use certain blade, they must for sure know that it suits them best. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 10:12pm |
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Soft is better because of a larger contact time.
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Posted: 10/26/2008 at 10:52pm |
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You can have hundreds of different answers. If you want to loop well just choose 5 ply all wood blade. Samsonov Alpha, Samsonov Premium Contact, Avalox P500, Korbel, Acoustic, Violin are some of the mostly used. |
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Totoro
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Posted: 10/27/2008 at 1:37am |
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Thanks so much for your comments!
Greatly appreciated!! |
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I'm 15
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