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blademaster3090
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Posted: 11/02/2008 at 4:45pm |
hi guys,
i'm a half-serious table tennis player. i have played for about 6 years, and i have gone through many custom-made paddles, which my coach picked out for me. now that i'm in college, i just bought a 35$ stiga triumph, which i think is a great paddle, but i feel i need a paddle with more spin, speed and control. i'm an offensive left-handed shakehand player, and my previous paddles include yasaka mark V rubber on both sides with a donic blade, and the same rubbers with a butterfly all-round - blade, and lastly, sriver FX on both sides with a donic blade. i personally prefered the sriver FX, although i don't remember playing with them much, since it was a very long time ago. i feel that the stiga triumph is a perfect paddle for me for the time being, but i feel i put in too much effort for a half-decent topspin, with slightly slow speed. the control is just PERFECT for me though. what do you guys suggest for a custom-made paddle for me? i don't want my budget to go over 200$. i personally don't really enjoy the Mark V, although i know it's a great rubber. my main concern would be to have a blade which is as light as possible, without compromising too much on control. i think that rubbers like bryce would be too fast for me, and have no control over the ball. also, i do not have any experience in many brand names i have noticed here, like donic rubbers, DHS. basically, i only have experience in stiga, butterfly and yaska brands. i am open to new brands of rubbers though. i know this is a long post, but thanks in advance for reading it. will greatly appreciate your advice! |
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hafawaz
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I have a butterfly carbo x5 (less than 80 grams) with sriver fx 2.1 - it's on of my favorite setups. fast, controllable, and great spin. not to mention super light. right aroundusd 120. i'm a butterfly fan, but lots of other good brands out there. |
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GenomicsKnight
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So I see you were using good and classic rubbers on an all-round blade. Maybe it is time for you to try something faster with OFF or OFF- ratings or perhaps a 7-ply blade.
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Swiff
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The Nittaku KCZ is farely quick, it's a carbon blade. I think the weight is 87 grams which is farely light too.
As for rubbers, what exactly didn't you like about the MarkV?
Have you ever thought about trying DHS Hurricane II? You most deffinately won't have any trouble making your own topspin with that. It's very spinny with a high throw. Medium- hard sponge.
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blademaster3090
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thanks a lot for the reply guys.
it's not like i didn't like mark V, it's just that the rubber was too all-round, with no focus on defense or offense. and no, i haven't thought about any DHS rubber..they aren't usually available where i'm from. but now that i'm in the US, i guess i can order it online. but i don't know if the hurricane 2 will provide me with enough control over the ball? any other suggesstions over rubbers with lots of speed and control? |
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Swiff
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Sriver G2 is an offensive rubber, i would rate the speed a 9 and the spin a 7. It's a kind of soft rubber. But I thought it had a lot of control.
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DeathAngel
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I would try to go with a Petr Korbel. Its a solid blade, and super easy to loop with. Sriver is a good combination with it.
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blademaster3090
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ok. so what's the actual weight in grams of a light-weight wood blade? 80-90 grams?
also, i was thinking of completely changing my paddle from the brands i usually buy i.e. butterfly and yasaka. can anyone suggest to me some good offensive 1.9mm offensive rubbers with good control and speed? also, can someone suggest an all-round to defensive rubber for my backhand, with emphasis only on control and spin? btw, i don't want any butterfly suggestions, mainly because i just want to have a change from them, and try some nittaku's, donics or DHS's, or maybe yasaka's. also, i was thinking of buying the nittaku violin-ST for a lightweight offensive blade. what do u guys think/suggest? |
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blademaster3090
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oh ok, thanks for ur suggestion
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ohhgourami
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i think we should establish some more ground here.
what kind of player are you? (e.g. looper, hitter...) you say you are an offensive player but all the things you seem to want are very very slowwwwww. hurricane 2 will provide plenty of control so id give it a try as for things being too fast, i dont think that exist. for an offensive player, that is what you want: FAST FAST FAST! if you think thats fast, i started out using a Joola Kool with killerspin gt and joola energy with max thickness on both sides. yup i used that on the 3rd day i ever played tt. i found that very controlable. it doesnt suit my game now but it was decent. |
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dimitris
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If you thought the joola kool with energy max was controllable, you are either the naturally talented grand master that is born once every 1000 years (seen the movie Kung Fu Hustle?) or you were just playing with other novices that can barely hit a ball. But I agree that the OP better describe his game better if he wants some knowledgeable person around here to share his/her opinion. By the way, speed, spin and control are things that are not found together, increases in one reduces the others. So you have to decide what you want based on the assumption you cannot have everything. I wish we were all lucky enough to find all of these in some combo. I also agree that the Korbel might be a good choice for what you "might" want, since for its speed it has good control and is pretty soft and flexible to allow spinny shots with many kinds of rubbers. The only thing it has and you do not like is extra weight, but then stability and good control many times need some weight... |
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blademaster3090
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thanks a lot for the reply guys. here's my story:
i am an OFFENSIVE player mainly. however, this is only on my forehand, whereas i like to mostly chop (backspin) with my backhand, although i do smash with it. i do not topspin/loop with my backhand, but my forehand strokes include ONLY topspinning/looping, and smashing. the reason why i said i wanted a rubber with a lot of control is because i fear the ball getting out of control and flying out of the table, or just hitting the net with a rubber that is completely offensive. i do have a very fast game, with sidespinning, topspinning and smashing being my primary strengths. my coach, who specialized in defensive game, bought me paddles which were pretty heavy. now, i don't know if this is the case with all offensive players, or only me, but i prefer very light paddles, which will allow me to smash as freely as possible. this is why i want a 1.9mm rubber for my forehand, for easy smashing and decent topspin, and a 1.9/2.1mm rubber for my backhand. i tried the bryce once, about 2 years ago, and it was way too fast for me. now, i think my game has improved slightly from there (because i didn't really focus on TT then, it was mainly studies hehe), but i feel i still can't handle a rubber like that, with just too much speed and spin. what i want, is a rubber maybe 2 levels lower than that, with not such a focus on speed, and with some level of control. another user told me that chinese rubbers are completely differnt from Butterfly, Yasaka etc. and are pretty hard to get used to, because i have been using Butterfly and Yasaka all through my playing TT. i don't know if that is the case felt universally. so here's what i would want out of a 10 (these numbers would indicate my prefernce of one over the other) speed-8 spin-8 control-7. NOT something like this:- speed-10 spin-10/9 control-5 or 4... i hope this helped. thanks for your suggesstions till now guys! |
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hafawaz
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Rubber ratings are often so misleading and the ratings are quite relative. Your friend is correct - traditional chinese rubbers play differently and were at one time harder and tackier. However there are many that, I think would be a good choice for you - inclufing the Focus III or the Inspirit. These would fit the ratios you're looking for. While they are made by chinese manufacturers, they are similar to the traditional european style rubber (like sriver). I would suggest you talk to cole at www.colestt.com - I've played with several chinese rubbers and like those mentioned above. However, I cant speak intelligently on many non butterfly blades.
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ohhgourami
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sorry if not a natural talent and sorry i might have sounded a lil harsh. maybe im just a novice, you cant expect me to be rated 1800+ when iv only been playing for 6 months. as for something being too fast, my friend who is ranked 2300+ doesnt think something is ever too fast, but maybe that is because he has great control. maybe i did give some bad advice but this guy never mentioned that he doesnt even BH loop. so isnt this guy trying to be a modern defender? |
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blademaster3090
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i don't think that the fact that i only don't BH loop makes me a modern defender. not saying that there's anything wrong to being one, but my game is much more on the offensive, than defending or making long backspin rallies. i need speed and spin, and some control for my forehand rubber, and a lot of spin and control for my backhand.
i don't really care if i'm a defender or not, i just need some suggestions for some good rubbers which meet these criteria. |
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blademaster3090
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ok so i went to colestt.com and i talked to him. he says this combination is best for me--quattro ultralight on the forehand 2.0 40,palio topsheet over a 1.8 saviga sponge for the backhand, and dawei quattro allaround limba as the blade, for a total of 50$. what do you guys think of this? will this suit my game? i don't know because i haven't heard of these brands before hehe.
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GenomicsKnight
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This probably will be similar to your old setup or perhaps even slower.
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blademaster3090
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oh, so what rubbers do you suggest? from a price POV, it does seem good, since 50 dollars is much cheaper than what i paid for my butterfly setups. ,and this new paddle will definitely be way better than my stiga triumph lol.
if you can suggest to me a combination for a paddle that will total up to 50-60 dollars, it would be greatly appreciated. |
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GenomicsKnight
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I think those two rubbers that Cole suggested are fine, but you might want to ask him recommendations for a faster blade (since you were asking for more speed). Maybe instead of 1.8 sponge you can try 2.0 on your BH.
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