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ppgear
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Posted: 12/07/2008 at 11:10pm |
We all know you have to twist your upper body for FH loops, winding up then uncoiling. The player who seems to do this most obviously is Chen Qi. You can see his upper body so upright, and he just twist and winds up, then uncoils to unload a devastating forehand.
I've found that when you wind up, if you stick out your open arm (non-playing arm), then pull it back right when you unwind, it helps generate more rotational power in your body. I used to tuck my open arm in, and it wasn't as effective. And watching Chen Qi, it looks like he sticks his open arm out too (not a whole lot, but it's definitely not tucked in). Do you stick your open arm out when winding up your FH loop? |
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varghesep
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It would be great if you can post a link to the video and the time it happens.
Great topic.
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theman
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when u mean sticking out, do you mean like in tennis, ppl stick their other arm out to "aim" as well as coil up?
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ppgear
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It's basically in all FH loops that Chen Qi does. So pick any video off YouTube. Comparing sticking out your arm vs. tucking it in:
Tucking in: - When tucked in, your elbow is only a few centimeters from your body, it's in close - Arm is posed like a waiter with a towel on the arm Sticking it out: - Arm is still sorta like the waiter-with-a-towel but the arm is extended out more, maybe the elbow position has only moved like 15-20cm from its tucked-in position - Looks like you're putting out your arm to look at your wrist watch. - Chen Qi seems to do this and I think it adds to the uncoiling power compared to keeping your arm tucked in throughout the entire stroke Is that any clearer? Possibly not. |
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MaLong
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Yea, i think that's what he means.
I feel that it is good to do so. Ma Long sticks his arm out alot on big shots. But sometimes during counter looping rallies, the ball is coming back so fast that you don't have adequate time to 100% prepare for your shot. So in that situation, a little less twisting is ok, after all you will be using the momentum of the incoming ball as well.
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theman
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i totally get the explanations by ppgear, i think samsonov does it for balance? and saive at times
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t3h anarchist
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um im telling you the other arm whether it sticks out or not makes no difference, its just personal habit
what does matter is completely your abs, if you want to get a pro forehand, do some bicycle situps to buildup your abs and obliques so that you can explosively turn your boyd |
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Totoro
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Actually, when the other arm sticks out, you have more twist. This because your whole body is moving in a circular motion and unwinding, giving the twist more power. It's called something like opposite something or rather...can't remember. Weight training is good too. |
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dragon kid
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Nice topic PPGear, I never thought about that.
Now, that that you brought it up, I stick out my arm.. it's just feels natural to me.. I have no idea why, but methinks it gives me more balance since the looping arm is in backswing position. We also do this sub consciously when we walk or run, one arm back one arm at front. When you run the more explosive your arm swing the more it helps you to generate speed. So i think your idea of using the non playing arm movement to generate more power / speed into your loop make sense.. |
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theman
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i rarely stick me arm out, but at uni, when i did it once, when a guy lobbed to my bh side and i was moving, it felt the" wind" was really AWESOME, COILING UP!!!!
and what happened to this new experience of coiling and sticking the arm out... i missed the ball completely...and the match |
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I do "stick my arm out". The arm is important for weight balance when looping/power looping. Weight balance is key as it helps a faster transition from wind-up to stroke. You won't be able to generate the same amount of force if you don't balance your weight like this.
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My arm's actually quite tucked in. But my elbow is away from d body. Not quite sure how to explain it. Kinda like sticking my elbow out but my arm is bent so that my non playing hand is close to my stomach.
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tabl10s
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I used to do something similar on the BH. I would rotate my shoulder's with equal force(left arm close to the body and going backwards as though you were elbowing someone behind you) when doing a kill shot. I didn't have a BH loop and this was how I got my point across.
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Ranger-man
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I stick my arm out, never realized it until now, and it has become second nature, such that now, if I decided to not do it, I would lose a lot of power. Not sure, if it helps with the power, but its become part of my whole motion so without it, I would be restricted. Thats like asking a guy that tosses high to not do so, or a guy that doesnt toss high, to suddenly have to do high toss serves.
What I mean is that with me, if the arm extension is a way to get more power, happened by accident, not by design. |
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When throwing a ball overhand your non throwing arm will usually lead out in an arc away from your body starting the rotational force even before the ball starts to move. It would be interesting to see if the same philosophy could be applied to TT. It wouldn't be able to work exactly the same though since your recovery time would have to be much quicker.
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