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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Waldmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2009 at 10:42am
It s teh "magnus effect" causing the curve of a topspin ball. Same over-/ depressure effect makes planes etc fly.
Also a ball with high spin seems to be slower cause of it s longer way of travel ( curve ).
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Originally posted by sidofmillenium sidofmillenium wrote:

1.  Tacky rubbers create less spin n speed b/c they dont use the incoming speed/spin...
 
2.  Sponge can increase speed n spin b/c instead of increasing damage to the ball, it rebounds it.  Now, what I hadn't realized, is that it is possible to have a very active spring that will work on all velocities...so Jonan...now I hate less sponge as well.  (tension sponge+tension topsheet)
 
3.  Pip out r 4 ppl who r so old, that they cant catch up to the physique of another athlete.  So it cannot be considered a serious equipment...so rare athletes use it now.


1. Most everyone on the forum would be in consensus, that at least on most shots (especially serves, short game, and brush loops) tacky rubber is easily spinier than normal inverted.

2. Yes, offensive sponges actually do make the ball go faster.

3. I never had to work harder than trying to play as a chopper. Pips require a lot of work, both physical and mental. They are hard to learn how to use, hard to master, and hard to play with. I say few people use pips because they are so hard to use, and few people are in good enough shape. After playing for 4-5 hours in a non-airconditioned warehouse, trying to chop, I am dead, my shirt literally dripping sweat, and I am skinny. Not only do I have to run around all the time, back and forth and forwards and backwards much more than a looper, I also have to bend over to stoop down and chop long shots and still rush in to attack. I'll readily admit that some old people use junk rubber as a crutch, but what an you say? I've also seen old people or people in wheelchairs switch to the latest, fastest thing to compensate for their loss in arm speed.
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Originally posted by Jonan Jonan wrote:


3. I never had to work harder than trying to play as a chopper. Pips require a lot of work, both physical and mental. They are hard to learn how to use, hard to master, and hard to play with. I say few people use pips because they are so hard to use, and few people are in good enough shape. After playing for 4-5 hours in a non-airconditioned warehouse, trying to chop, I am dead, my shirt literally dripping sweat, and I am skinny. Not only do I have to run around all the time, back and forth and forwards and backwards much more than a looper, I also have to bend over to stoop down and chop long shots and still rush in to attack...


There is a local talented chopper in my area & this "description" fits him word for word.

I try to incorporate a tiny bit of chopping.
After my very first & seriously brief assay I could SEE, quite clearly so, that it required a great deal of work...
and I am not skinny!

pips ARE serious equipment
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Guys, I have already realized my mistake and admitted that thicker sponges DO create more power.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote liXiao Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2009 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by sidofmillenium sidofmillenium wrote:

Guys, I have already realized my mistake and admitted that thicker sponges DO create more power.


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and real men dont use pips for power. Ask Liu Guoliang.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sidofmillenium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/01/2009 at 6:17pm
Wait..I suddenly discovered a weakness in this argument...a thicker sponge means bigger spring effect, but since the sponge is not allowed to complete absorb the impact, blade disrupts it, therefore it cannot impart the whole collision.  Hence, the only way to make sure complete elasticity takes place so there is no damage through collision is tightning the grip at the impact which would produce maximum speed and spin.  And equipment vise, unify the blade and the rubber by making blade extremely soft and rubber extremely hard and the dealer actually sealing them together through heating or something....what do u guys think?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Leshxa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/01/2009 at 10:15pm
I think you have way too much time on your hands. Perhaps community college physics class would take care of your curiosity.
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Myth ?
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There should really be no debate here. Anyone who has tried a rubber with 1.0mm sponge and 2.2mm sponge will tell you the thicker one is faster. This rule may not be absolute at all thicknesses though. Will a 20.0mm (2cm) sponge be faster than 2.2mm? It may not be. It may have a parabolic curve where the speed keeps increasing with sponge thickness, until a certain point, then as you continue thickening it it starts slowing down. Physics is full of these parabolas.

Anyways go try a 2.2mm and a 1.0mm of the same rubber, then close this thread. We all shaved a few years off our lives today.

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Its possible stats r messed up b/c of lack of technique....

We have to understand in theory y thicker sponge creates more power...(since blade compromises sponge's elastic effect)
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