Why use chinese rubber?

takaaki wrote: Rack wrote: takaaki wrote: why use chinese rubber? if you're not in china, then the only reason would be to save money.   NEO provincials and nationals definately are not cheap so don't think I use em to save money.  I do use them because they're tacky, offer a higher ceiling by rewarding good technique, great short game, and they fit my playing style because I use a chinese stroke.  Not to mention because the top players in the world use them. look, i dunno how much you pay for those rubbers specifically, but i can't imagine that you're paying more than you would for tenergy, the best non-chinese rubber out there! but, at any rate, i was referring to the majority of the chinese rubbers available here in the us, which are NOT provincial nor nat'l team quality!! on my posts i have always said that the high quality chinese rubber that the chinese nat'l team plays with is the best rubber out there and it is, in part (only in part), the reason they're so dominant.

Chinese rubbers allow for shorter more controlled stroke that produce more spin in the short game and serves. They also produce a ton of spin for loops. My game is very spin oriented so it would not work good without a "typical" Chinese rubber.

icontek wrote: I think learning to play with a Chinese rubber on FH slowed my progress relative to some of my peers who started on traditional Japanese rubbers... A few years into it, I feel like my game has many more dimensions *because* of the Chinese rubber on FH (service, service receive, short pushes, spin variation when counterhitting, being able to knuckleblock loops, loop arc variation, spin to speed ratios on loops, flat smashes against low underspin, etc.) Not that it's all intentional. The rubber is generally so unforgiving that occasionally my mistakes (like creating very little spin on a big shot) create errors from my opponent (who reads my motion as "big spin").

I know exactly how you feel.  Just hand your setup over to a noob and see if he can do anything   Give some fast long pushes and watch the confusion and struggle.  But yes, chinese rubber does require perfection.



As for Chinese rubber being cheap, some aren't like the Provincial or National versions.  Even if euro/jap style rubbers (some made by plenty of Chinese brands, but are NOT consider them chinese rubbers) were cheap, I still wouldnt use them for my forehand because they dont fit my STYLE of play.  I just dont hit the ball that way so it simply does not work with my game.  If someone gave me a sheet of the oh so expensive and highly rated Tenergy, I would have to refuse or resell it because its useless to be.  T05 even has too high of a throw for my bh...its disgusting...

tomas.gt wrote: No reason to use chinese rubbers designed for speedglue. I did it. Because: more spin in serves, dead feel (no speed, no dynamics) gave me huge control at the table. But this was only covering holes in my technique. With those rubbers I was addicted on spin, I had disadvantage in rallies, I had to finish it as soon as possible. I was also struggling more with technic and incoming spin. I think I could make faster progress with regular sriver.. But the results came later.   New chinese rubbers, like BW2, dhs neo, not to forget reactor thunder, 729-08.. Why do I use them? I got stable performance from tenergy 05 but what I missed with T05 was the versatility. With chinese rubber I can have anything from zero spin to huge spin, anything from zero speed to incredible speed, it is all in my hands.   With chinese rubbers it is very very important to always attack and trying to finish the point as soon as possible. If you dont do that, you will suffer from chinese rubbers. Morover every shot needs to be based on spin. Flat hits suck.   I dont want to judge you, but I am lousy player with poor movement and I am miles away from the aggressivness of chinese players and I know I can not get the full potential from chinese rubbers. I would probably make nice forward step with tenergy rubbers but I got used to chinese rubbers and I like the curve of the loop from chinese rubbers. Now with H3neo rubbers I feel that I am close to perfect. DHS should be awarded for their neo rubbers.

what do you mean flat hits suck?  i almost always drive the ball when i fh.  it automatically has spin though which is awesome.

i dont know what curve while looping you are talking about but mines pretty much a straight line.  almost a straight line when i powerloop except the ball sharply dips down and lands in the short half of the table.  cant hit the ball like you would with tenergy ya know

All this DHS NEO and new Chinese rubber has been making my itchy for a try of these rubbers!

I wonder how it will differ to Tenergy.

Anyway I don't think there is a better or worse between Chinese and Euro/Jap rubbers. They are just different. You can't say that Chinese rubbers are better or worse because of whatever reason - vice versa with Euro/Jap rubbers.

It really just depends what stroke mechanics you have been taught or developed.  Pick the right rubber that fits your strokes and you'll be rewarded.

My coach (who is Chinese) told me I should use Euro/Jap rubber on my BH because it's better for blocking, easier to control the incoming spin and more speed to the return.  He may be right, but I feel fine blocking with Chinese rubber and didn't change.    

Maybe I should, but I don't play well with different rubbers on two sides.  My coach believed this is a "mental" problem.  Well, we are all crazy in some way.  As for me, my BH rubber must match my FH rubber.

zheyi wrote: i've heard ppl said chinese rubber meant to be bh rubber!!! which i definite don't agree.. fh got better strength which should use chinese rubber to drive...   Anyone sees ppl uses chinese rubber on bh? why is that so?

icontek wrote: Playing with a tacky rubber on your backhand is just asking for your opponent to 3rd ball kill you. Tackiness = sensitivity to incoming spin = you need to read incoming serves more perfectly and respond just as accurately. While some semi-tacky rubbers (CJ8000 on some different sponges for example) are incredible for AGGRESSIVE serve return (ripping a backhand winner down the line vs. side-top/side-under serves) they force you to read and adjust with little margin for error. I used a CJ8000 of BH for about two years, and while my BH serves and BH attacks against service were definitely stronger (more spin, more speed) than they are with Mendo, I sacrificed a lot of control, due to susceptibility to deception and more unforced errors.

Eek? I didn�t know that......
Does anyone know if the DHS H2 commercial version is semi tacky or just tacky? I remember that when I took off the sheets it was very tacky but now it seems like it has lost some of its tackiness...

Argh I got the same problem, I�m very weak to deception due to the fact that I can�t see clearly if the distance is more than 4 feet.....

I thank you for this little piece of info, I was wondering why I was getting loop killed when I received with ma backhand...

Does this mean I must change rubbers again? oh noes

Rogson wrote: Eek? I didn�t know that...... Does anyone know if the DHS H2 commercial version is semi tacky or just tacky? I remember that when I took off the sheets it was very tacky but now it seems like it has lost some of its tackiness... Argh I got the same problem, I�m very weak to deception due to the fact that I can�t see clearly if the distance is more than 4 feet..... I thank you for this little piece of info, I was wondering why I was getting loop killed when I received with ma backhand... Does this mean I must change rubbers again? oh noes

i think the short game evens out. Eurpean rubbers have soft bouncy sponges that catapult the ball much easier, and if a rubber is grippy its grippy. Just because a rubber is tacky doesnt mean it grips the ball well. H2 is tacky, but its also VERY grippy. It really grabs the ball. BW2 was tacky, but it let the ball go a lot. I have more control with H2 or H3 on my FH in the short game than with any grippy euro rubber. Serve return just the same. Its a matter of slight adjustment, but really tacky rubbers dont make that big of a difference returning serve. They aren't super sensitive. Tenergy is more sensitive to spin than any chinese rubber I've used.

which of these dhs rubbers has the highest throw: hurricane 2 , hurricane 3 , hurricane 2 neo and huricane 3 neo also which one of these is the fastest and the spiniest and how long do they last . thanks