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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

 
tenergy doesnt improve with speed glue in my opinion
 
 Thats because its not supposed to, you are not supposed to be sp/glueing it, its a sp/glue replacement rubber, for the use of players who don't cheat, what are you doing using sp/glue on it? If you are using sp/glue on Tenergy, you are cheating under the current laws of the ITTF.
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Rob,
 
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

Rob,
 
thin and soft is powerless

Boz, your looking at it the wrong way. Dont hit flat, you defeat the purpose of these rubbers. If you want to hit flatish, stick to your tenergy. World class players that have superfast racket speed, can get the most out of Tenergy, mere mortals like myself, need something a little more elastic to produce the spin -> speed ratio that is required at the table to get the loops on the table.

Boz, I have seen players come from speedglued Mark V to Plasma 430 comment on how fast the new combo is, yet other complain its to fast and prefer the slightly slower Roxon. Its all horses for courses.
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hit flat?
I very rarely hit flat - unless fishing to get to a loop. 
 
I think esn rubbers play better flat, than tenergy
 
Im not talking about Hexer or vega since they are the new wanabee-tenergy. 
 
NO really, I want to buy vega euro but cant get it anywhere, I have a sheet of hexer on its way, should arrive next week.
 
 
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

hit flat?
Im not talking about Hexer or vega since they are the new wanabee-tenergy.

Not sure about the wanabee part, as Hexer is Differant to Tenergy - I'm sure copyright laws made sure of that.

Tenergy showed ESN that they were heading in the wrong direction if they wanted to take some of the Butterfly Sales.

In my mind Roxon is far better for my standard, I wont use a rubber because the Top 10 in the world use it. I'm not a sheep.
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Also totally disagree with
 
"World class players that have superfast racket speed, can get the most out of Tenergy, mere mortals like myself, need something a little more elastic to produce the spin -> speed ratio that is required at the table to get the loops on the table."
 
This notion that tenergy is too hard to use is ridiculous.  If you loop, if you top spin the ball - almost everybody recognises the ease to loop very quickly.
 
I had this old fella in lower divisions at my club ask me for advice, I said first lets see how you play and I tried to work out what he was unhappy with, it was the andro rubber.  I said just try this old sheet of tenergy to see how it plays, I stuck it on quickly and wala, all the balls that were constantly going into the net or off the end of the table kept landing and no only that with tons of spin.
 
This is an older gentleman in his late 50s
 

 
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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

Also totally disagree with
 
"World class players that have superfast racket speed, can get the most out of Tenergy, mere mortals like myself, need something a little more elastic to produce the spin -> speed ratio that is required at the table to get the loops on the table."
 
This notion that tenergy is too hard to use is ridiculous.  If you loop, if you top spin the ball - almost everybody recognises the ease to loop very quickly.
 
I had this old fella in lower divisions at my club ask me for advice, I said first lets see how you play and I tried to work out what he was unhappy with, it was the andro rubber.  I said just try this old sheet of tenergy to see how it plays, I stuck it on quickly and wala, all the balls that were constantly going into the net or off the end of the table kept landing and no only that with tons of spin.
 
This is an older gentleman in his late 50s
 

 

And the same would have happened if he was using a sheet of Sriver or Mark V.

He had probably asked for Max (2.3mm), yet you got him on an old sheet of Tenergy (2.1mm) see the differance.

I'm sure the 50 year old thought he was topspinning when in fact he was simply driving.

Its strange how all of a sudden their seem to be a slight exodus from the Tenergy Craze.
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dont understand what you are talking about at all
 
He was using new impuls speed rubbers I gave him an old 2.1 to try on one side.
 
the high trajectory of the tenergy and the fact that is has a more solid sponge make it more consistant
 
all those soft sponge soft topsheet esn rubbers they say are great control are not great control at all -
 
As for the sudden slight exodus what are you talking about?
 
are there some facts and figures to support this?
 
OK lets get back on Topic Rob,
 
Tenergy is too much spin - dam right +1
 its not for people who cant read spin. so for beginners - dont use it - for people who go in and have learnt to topspin - its a winner.
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Use more of an up to down stroke and lock your joints, then watch all the magic in the world happen!
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I tried 05, 25, 64 and all of them has no catapult at all...

Strangest thing I have ever read on this forum.
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Originally posted by bull_harrier bull_harrier wrote:

Use more of an up to down stroke and lock your joints, then watch all the magic in the world happen!
 
You forgot that should be convex to make money like professionals.
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by bull_harrier bull_harrier wrote:

Use more of an up to down stroke and lock your joints, then watch all the magic in the world happen!
 
You forgot that should be convex to make money like professionals.


How foolish of me, thanks for pointing that "fact" out
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oh damn....here comes the convex vs. concave swings now....
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If tenergy has too much spin (or speed) try hexer.
 
Hexer is my solcion.  I am currently testing it and see if I can develop a game of twiddling for more or less speed.
 
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Have been using T25 all season and I have to say the Tenergy series is probably the easiest rubber to stick on and play with, everything just becomes easy. The 2 things I don't like about the Tenergy rubbers are...

1) The price.
2) The brittle/delicate top sheet, very easy to damage.

Based on those 2 things I'm currently looking at a replacement rubber for my forehand.

Tenergy has plenty of spin and plenty of speed for those who can control it, which one to go for (05,25,64) is down to preference.

I've lined up all three next to each other and you can definently see a difference on all of them, but I think the real winner in the Tenergy series is the spring sponge.

Was spring sponge exclusive to Tenergy top sheets?
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Tenergy may go down as the best tt rubber ever made..be carefull ,it is that good.
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Originally posted by KCREDT KCREDT wrote:

Have been using T25 all season and I have to say the Tenergy series is probably the easiest rubber to stick on and play with, everything just becomes easy. The 2 things I don't like about the Tenergy rubbers are...1) The price.2) The brittle/delicate top sheet, very easy to damage.Based on those 2 things I'm currently looking at a replacement rubber for my forehand.Tenergy has plenty of spin and plenty of speed for those who can control it, which one to go for (05,25,64) is down to preference.I've lined up all three next to each other and you can definently see a difference on all of them, but I think the real winner in the Tenergy series is the spring sponge. Was spring sponge exclusive to Tenergy top sheets?


I thought it was too easy, it made me feel like I didn't have to try, and if I wasn't trying I wouldn't get better. As for Spring Sponge it will be used in Spin Art, out April 21.
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tenergy 05 loops need a high acceleration and they need to be more horizontal, most beginners arent ready for that, tenergy 05 is very spinny even on non-loops though, my typical no spin serve that i had done for years and got people to pop up the ball was all of a sudden too much underspin when i switched to tenergy 05, no more pop ups on that one
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Originally posted by BHDoom BHDoom wrote:

tenergy 05 loops need a high acceleration and they need to be more horizontal, most beginners arent ready for that, tenergy 05�is very spinny even on non-loops though, my typical no spin serve that i had done for years and got people to pop up the ball was all of a sudden too much underspin when i switched to tenergy 05, no more pop ups on that one


But the spin you can get on backspin serves is great! When I played with Tenergy it was so easy to make people net serves.
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Originally posted by Reinecke Reinecke wrote:

Originally posted by BHDoom BHDoom wrote:

tenergy 05 loops need a high acceleration and they need to be more horizontal, most beginners arent ready for that, tenergy 05 is very spinny even on non-loops though, my typical no spin serve that i had done for years and got people to pop up the ball was all of a sudden too much underspin when i switched to tenergy 05, no more pop ups on that one


But the spin you can get on backspin serves is great! When I played with Tenergy it was so easy to make people net serves.
 
agreed, i like to go heavy and then mix in the dead no spin and make the motion look similar, now it is more like heavy and less heavy, to get dead i think i would have to make it way too obvious, so no surprise factor really
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disagree there totally,
It is all technique.  I get lots of pop ups when I want them.  And more into the nets.
 
Trick is do the same serving motion but when you undercut the ball you hit very near the handle on some and near the end of the head for the others.
 
The less spin rubbers sure you can do no spin but player realise they are low spin and start slapping the ball in stead of pushing it up into the air.
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