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What is dominant in a combo (wood or rubber?) |
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PLLsystem
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Posted: 06/25/2010 at 1:14pm |
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Hi all,
We are thinking about that principle: What is dominant in a combo that is regularly a good combination? Can you estimate how much % the wood or rubber determins? |
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70% blade 30% rubber for me.
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Assuming I'm using a nice hard sheet of H3, then it might be 80% blade for me. bh rubbers usually dont matter at all, as long as its the right hardness, they are all about the same. So blade is very important.
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PLLsystem
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And what about thickness of rubbers? In my opinion MAX rubbers fade the features of wood
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60% rubbers 40% blade |
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mhnh007
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I think they are equally important, and I am not talking about %50-%50, but rather %100-%100. Either a wrong blade (speed, control, flexibility, stiffness...), or a wrong rubber (tackiness, thickness, grip, bounce, hardness,...) will ruin the whole setup, and you won't be able to play well until you fix what is wrong. Lets face it, we already have enough tough time playing with the right setup LOL, so anything that causes the setup to be less than %100 for you is not good.
Edited by mhnh007 - 06/29/2010 at 9:52am |
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Imago
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Who is more important - husband or wife? |
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this is the kind of thinking that i get caught up in, even though I (rationally) know that it's just the effects of marketizing mixing with OCD. without this believe, BTY couldn't sell $200 blades and Haifu wouldn't have 16 different (hardness, national, perm tuned, un tuned) versions of BW2. however, being a "shades of gray" person, i acknowledge that there are many ways to create the same sort of "harmony" that mhnh007 describes. for example: against my regular playing partners, I can use my clipper with 1.8mm H3 and 1.8mm Mendo Energy. the speed of the blade, which would normally cause unforced errors against unfamiliar spins and opponents is actually an asset here. against folks i've never played before, one of my BT550's with pronte soft or 999 and 729 Super FX 1.5mm is a better choice. the more forgiving blade speed and softness of the FH rubber allow a little bit more of a cushion until I get familiar with their strokes and spins. the clipper blocks like god though. low, fast and consistent. |
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PLLsystem
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And what change would you get rid of more: changing your clipper to eg. bty powerspin or changing your mendo to sriver L on your clipper? What would hurt you more? Changing of the rubber eg. simple wearing out or changing the wood?
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mhnh007
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I think you misunderstand me. I play with 3 different setups in rotation myself . What I mean is once you find the correct setup that you like, any change in that setup either the blade, or the rubber will ruin up your play equally. |
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Best99
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It depens on what things you are evaluating.
A blade influences on the speed of the combo, on its feeling, on its weight, on its stability and on the overall spin, too. A rubbers determinates the spin, speed, touch and consistency of the combo. |
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%50.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 blade
%49.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 rubber
(for me)
Edited by burakhayran - 06/29/2010 at 3:03pm |
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Pick a blade that's comfy and is close to the speed you want then fine tune the throw up and down and length in and out with rubbers :). In the end they are just as important as each other
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shaolinTT
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You got me thinking.
For me (CPen), I find the blade is dominant. I don't know if other CPen players feel the same. 2/3 (67%) blade, 1/3 (33%) rubbers.
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Imago
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In a good, established combination, like in a good, established marriage, the most important thing is the rubber.
One should always put it in first place. Edited by Imago - 06/30/2010 at 1:25am |
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Thaidog
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And when you say this you must mean only for inverted rubbers barring antispin right? Obviously if you put long pips on your backhand, even with the right hardness, something would be seriously wrong |
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Blade: Soft but in the offensive category.
Rubbers: Chinese with hard sponges.
Control when you want, speed when you need. Won't ask for more.
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+1. |
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for me, 60% for blade 40% for rubber..
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That's one of the best answers I've ever read, I wholeheartedly agree!!!
To me, the blade is more of a preference thing and isn't that important besides stability/feeling/weight.
While rubbers are more generic (don't get me wrong though, they are all slightly different). They can be divided into groups such as "fast, spinny, all-around, specialty, etc." The spin/speed/touch is more important since those attributes are used most in play. Stability/feel/weight isn't that important playbility-wise until you get to a high level (although it's best to have both a blade and rubber you love).
So to me, rubbers are more important than the blade playability-wise.
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i think both is important cos they work in unison to give the player the ideal feel he is seeking.
if the match up is not as optimum, some strokes will be technically more difficult to execute. eg.. flicks with adjustment, one should still be able to play alright tho not as deadly. Edited by yuna - 07/01/2010 at 5:41am |
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I'm writing a book about the theory that supports table tennis . I've written 7 pages about inverted rubbers... If you want so, in a few days I can post them... |
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