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Hello aquaman:

Are you by any chance willing to sell your sardius or else perhaps trade for some other blade of equivalent value.

Thanks, and I hope to hear from you.

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When you want to accelerate your game with a compromised control ... Big smile
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Originally posted by Pioneer Pioneer wrote:

When you want to accelerate your game with a compromised control ... Big smile

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All-wood for the win. Just learn to swing faster.
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Aquaman,
Are you still using the  JUIC Stellan Bentgsson Alpha ?
Do you use the flared or straight?
I am seriously considering switching to it as I am looking for a good control carbon.
Whats it been like switching to it ?
Did you use it in competition ?
If you don't us it now, want to sell ?
I would like to try
 
Appreciate any feedback
 
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Unless you pick a very fast blade like T4, you will see no big difference switching from a stiff 7 ply blade to carbon.
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If a layer of uni-directional carbon ("soft carbon", all carbon fibres in one direction, the weavethreads perpendicular to that don,t have significant strength) counts for one layer in a blade then a carbon-weavelayer should count for two layers. Two carbon weave layers for adding four layers.
Think like that and a 5+2 blade (carbon or carbon /arylate) can be regarded as 5+4 blade.
Then going from a five ply blade to a nine ply blade means that a whole range of blades is jumped over.
3+2 blades with two weavelayers (7 ply), 7 ply wood blades, 9 ply woodblades, soft carbon 3+2 blades (5 layers) soft carbon 5+2 blades (7 layers). From 5 ply wood to 5+2 carbon is not just going from wood to carbon then.



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My answer would be: if you can answer that question yourself.

Record a video of yourself playing. Count the mistakes you make. If your service returns, the opening topspins and the blocking/counter topspinning is without a lot of mistakes, upgrade to a composite blade.
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 Damn..

i cant believe i posted a thread like this lol. What a newb! lol

I definitely stuck with all-wood blades since i last remembered this thread.
For the record, from personal experience, you dont know when you upgrade to a composite since it is all preference. And by answering my own question, my preference definitely stayed within the all-wood (or wood feel) category.  I got away from the forums and focused on getting better and stayed with one set up. Now i actually look for very controlled blades rather than speed demons. Learning how to hit harder is a definite must.
Also, all-wood blades definitely has a better feel compared to composite blades IMO.

LOL i was such an EJ newb lol
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You know, when you have been playing composite for a couple of years then play an all wood blade and it feels like a your game just went down a couple of notches. All wood is ok for some but when you experience that solid sweet spot and refined feel it's hard to go back.
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its mad numb though frogger...
cant feel anything
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Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

such  a silly question!!!

based on your question...  the overwhelming number of pro players playing wood blades haven't reached that level. or what??? 

i am surprised so many people even answered!!Angry


Agree w Debraj. It presumes that a composite blade is an upgrade. That is arguable, to say the least : )

That aside, if you want to experiment with composite blades my advice is to try Galaxy or some other descent quality cheap vendor. Try it out, won't be expensive to test. Don't but a $200 blade right away because you may be surprised at what you discover. The two most expensive blades I have ever bought were carbons, and I came to hate them with such passion, that I gave them away for free and swore never to buy a carbon blade again. Since I play near the table I care more about spin and high throw so I can brush lift them pesky chops, and fast carbon blades are the worst choice for that. Same rubber has no spin and very low throw when I put it on the carbon. You don't want to get that experience after shelling some of the nicest 200 you have : )
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Originally posted by mon22 mon22 wrote:

its mad numb though frogger...
cant feel anything
                              
                   You need to experience some of the new generation carbon composite blades. These are not what your grandfather played with at all. New tech materials with feeling.Wink
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by mon22 mon22 wrote:

its mad numb though frogger...
cant feel anything
                              
                   You need to experience some of the new generation carbon composite blades. These are not what your grandfather played with at all. New tech materials with feeling.Wink
 
+1 ,  I've 'converted' a few players from wood to composite and they are happy with the change. Less effort with more control and power.
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

You need to experience some of the new generation carbon composite blades. These are not what your grandfather played with at all. New tech materials with feeling.Wink


for example...?
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

You need to experience some of the new generation carbon composite blades. These are not what your grandfather played with at all. New tech materials with feeling.Wink


for example...?


yeah thanks seguso Big smile

i tried the Timo Boll ZLF and that is suppose to feel like wood but I didn't like it at all
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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

You need to experience some of the new generation carbon composite blades. These are not what your grandfather played with at all. New tech materials with feeling.Wink


for example...?
I think the Nittaku Ludeak Fleet has a nice woody feel to it even though it has glass fiber.
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The problem I have with carbon and balsa blades (also hard outer compared to soft inner) is that I loose feeling once I start playing with such blades. First time I use such blades I still have the feeling  from playing with the ususal type of blade for a longer period. I,m borrowing the feeling from the period I used a woodblade and the carbon works great. I enjoy the stabillity, ease for some strokes that would go wild with a less stable blade aso. Great....but then I start loosing feeling for the game in general. Less feedback works out the same as if I would limit my hours of play significantly. After a while I end up  having just as much feel as the blade has which is much less. My whole game and even technicque start to deteriorate slowly week after week. Getting back to a woodblade with bad form and feeling the woodblade also doesn,t work well anymore. Maybe with a lot higher amount of traininghours a week this is different, could be.



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Originally posted by seguso seguso wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

You need to experience some of the new generation carbon composite blades. These are not what your grandfather played with at all. New tech materials with feeling.Wink


for example...?
      
                              
                For example: BTY Carbo X5....great blocking and hitting blade close and mid distance to table.
                                      Donic Carbo Tec....Carbon fleese, light blade with just right speed and dwell time and feeling with large sweet spot for any distance
 
                                     Donic Power Carbon....great balance, a bit stiffer, great for all distances with power. Very good ball feel upon impact even though a thick blade.
 
                                    Yasaka Ma Linn Soft Carbon....a very controllable blade that can be used by many level of players....nice ball feel.
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