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    Posted: 11/25/2011 at 9:34pm

Hey everyone, I am switching from looping to chopping because of an elbow problem. I just bought a feint long 2 for my backhand and will be using tenergy 05 on my forehand. Now my only problem is that I have problem deciding between my 3 blades wich would suit this style the best. Here are the 3 choices:

Andro super core kinetic off
 
Xiom jazz
 
Timo boll spirit
 
Yeah I know they aren't really what would be the best for chopping but for the moment I decided to stick with one of these. So what would you recommend me between these 3?
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I would pick the Xiom jazz. The TBS is too fast... never played with the Andro blade...
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yeah i would pick jazz but may i ask why in the world are you using tenergy 05 for chopping?
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Well honestly it's just because I want to use what I already have and since what I've been using for the past times is tenergy well that's what I'll try to chop with :P

On top of that I heard chopping with tenergy is pretty good.
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I had T05 on my forehand and it is possible to chop with but I would not recommend it. Especially in 2.1mm - I  am using tackiness chop in 1.5mm and it is much better for the job.
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what I'm scared of is, I still want to be able to be agressive with my forehand so I'm not sure how I would like it.
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If T05 is not my best choice, do you have any idea of what I could get that would be better for chopping but at the same time give me some offensive potential.
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You could try T64 FX in 1.7mm or 1.9mm. I just ordeered a 1.7mm sheet from tt-japan.net (could not find 1.7mm anywhere but there)
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Tell me what you think about it when you try it, I may give it a try.
 
Also would tackiness chop 2 in like 1.7 be a good idea or would it be a bit too slow?
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Originally posted by shay2be shay2be wrote:

yeah i would pick jazz but may i ask why in the world are you using tenergy 05 for chopping?

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Maybe use a thin inverted first to have more of a transitioning period ? Giant dragon submarine 1,0 or - cheapest option - 729 fx 1,0 have good dampening on fast blades due to their relatively dense sponge and firm topsheet.
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i think tackiness chop should do well or a thin sponged inverted. you can still be aggressive with tackiness chop
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Yeah i think that would be the safest option. Thanks a lot guys.
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Tenergy 05 is fine for chopping, but you should get a slower blade.

One advantage to being a chopper is that equipment is relatively cheap.  If you're just learning to chop, I'd recommend some quite cheap equipment that will work just fine and is hardly a major investment:

Gambler Reflectoid (1.5mm) = $14.00
Galaxy 980 (Knock off of Matsush*ta Pro Model) = $27.99

You said you already bought feint long 2, but defensive blades are generally oversized so I wouldn't cut it just yet - you should get a cheap ox long pips and learn how to use that before you cut into your pricey pips.  One thing you'll find about long pips is that cheap pips are just as good as expensive ones - the differences are very minor.  Friendship (729) 837 = 5.95
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$47.94 for a solid defensive set up @ megaspin

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I most likely won't buy another sheet of long pips just to learn to chop. But the inverted and the blade you just suggested seem very interesting.

Have you tried these two before?
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Originally posted by Lau_hb Lau_hb wrote:

I most likely won't buy another sheet of long pips just to learn to chop. But the inverted and the blade you just suggested seem very interesting.

Have you tried these two before?


I have tried reflectoid.  It is a tacky rubber with a hard sponge that works very well for learning to chop on inverted.

I have not tried the Galaxy 980, but I did use a Matsush*ta Pro-Model for about a year.  I'm not sure whether or not it's an exact replica of it, but someone else I know has one and it feels and plays similarly.
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Originally posted by roar roar wrote:

Originally posted by Lau_hb Lau_hb wrote:

I most likely won't buy another sheet of long pips just to learn to chop. But the inverted and the blade you just suggested seem very interesting.

Have you tried these two before?


I have tried reflectoid.  It is a tacky rubber with a hard sponge that works very well for learning to chop on inverted.

I have not tried the Galaxy 980, but I did use a Matsush*ta Pro-Model for about a year.  I'm not sure whether or not it's an exact replica of it, but someone else I know has one and it feels and plays similarly.
 
Thanks a lot man I'm pretty I'm going to give this a try, feels like a really good setup for the money. I didn'T want to buy a defensive blade since I'm just getting started but for 30$ I'm willing to give it a try!
 
Thanks again!
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It depends how long you have been playing but,,, the biggest problem for such a drastic change can be the change of mindset that it takes. Specifically in tense match situations this tends to come up and can be enormously frustrating to be a regular victim to you,re own misplaced decisions and reflexes towards the end of a game or match.

The ideal situation could be to have two setups for a period of time :
The usual blade and fh rubber with a thin inverted chopping rubber for bh.
And a more typical defensiv setup including long pips to practice with now and then and play training matches.
After such a period  make you,re own decisions with experience.

 

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I've been playing for about 7 years now and as I said I'm having big elbow problems. So on top of switching from attacking to defending I'll be taking a couple months of break from competition just to make sure I don't end up in a worst position than I am now. That said I will be slowly getting used to that defending mindset without rushing it and without the frustration that would come with it.
 
Also, I don't think using two completly different set ups would be the best thing. I feel like even though the goal is to keep your regular game at a constant level while slowly getting your defending skills at this same level it would end up just making your regular game worst because of lack of training and your defending game discouraging because of how slow it would be progressing.
 
Thank you very much for the suggestion though :)
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